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  • yak face
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    • Jun 2009
    • 13844
    • Tony
    • Sheffield

    #31
    Great progress Dave , its going to be impressive when its done. Ive used aerosol primer as a finish a good few times , if the colours right why not? seems daft to me to overspray it with exactly the same colour. The tu 160 blackjack was entirely done in halfords white primer and their grey one is a great match for US neutral grey . oh and dont forget the HUD ! cheers tony

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    • Gern
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      • May 2009
      • 9226

      #32
      Ooops! Forgot to add the Appliance white for the undersides!

      Gern

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      • Gern
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        • May 2009
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        #33
        Originally posted by \
        With such a simple paint job -
        Yeah. Sure.

        Except I forgot about the weapons pylons. I gotta fix those before I paint so I can tidy up all the joints and seams - but they've already been decalled! Normally I'd cover the decals with bits of foil or similar, then fix the foil to the surface with masking tape round the edges. I wrapped a bit of polythene around the nose of the fuel tank so that's no problem:

        [ATTACH]88563.IPB[/ATTACH]


        But on the pylons, the decals are so close to the edges and space is so restricted I can't do that.

        Any idea how I can mask the decals while spraying - and then remove the masking without also removing the decals? They've already been sealed with Humbrol Matt spray varnish but I don't know if this would be strong enough to protect them from any masking adhesive.

        Gern

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        • colin m
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          • Dec 2008
          • 8763
          • Colin
          • Stafford, UK

          #34
          Looks great Dave. I was so relieved to see you remembered the HUD.

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          • yak face
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            • Jun 2009
            • 13844
            • Tony
            • Sheffield

            #35
            Maybe masking fluid dave? or some Tamiya tape but stick it to your hand first to take some of the tack off so its not too sticky. I'm sure a man of your calibre will sort it (that reminds me , I used to be a circus performer you know, Human Cannonball , loved the job but i got fired (!) after only a week , they said I wasnt the right calibre for the job !!!)ok i'll get me coat , cheers tony

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            • papa 695
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              • May 2011
              • 22771

              #36
              Originally posted by Gern
              Yeah. Sure.Except I forgot about the weapons pylons. I gotta fix those before I paint so I can tidy up all the joints and seams - but they've already been decalled! Normally I'd cover the decals with bits of foil or similar, then fix the foil to the surface with masking tape round the edges. I wrapped a bit of polythene around the nose of the fuel tank so that's no problem:

              [ATTACH]89164[/ATTACH]

              But on the pylons, the decals are so close to the edges and space is so restricted I can't do that.

              Any idea how I can mask the decals while spraying - and then remove the masking without also removing the decals? They've already been sealed with Humbrol Matt spray varnish but I don't know if this would be strong enough to protect them from any masking adhesive.

              Gern
              Dave I would use white tac

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              • Gern
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                • May 2009
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                #37
                OK. That's got the building part done. Just got to touch up some small gaps on the pylons and then I'll be painting.

                [ATTACH]88962.IPB[/ATTACH]

                [ATTACH]88963.IPB[/ATTACH]


                While I'm here, I have another question. I've got another kit on the go (details later) and had to clean up a seam on the canopy. It filed off OK and I used a succession of finer grits to clean the sanding marks. I finished off with some toothpaste - as I don't have any polishing compound - and a soft cloth and got it looking OK. I've heard that canopies can be improved with a coat of Johnson's Clear, so that's what I did - brush painted some on. Does anyone know why my Clear has dried with a faint but very noticeable 'orange peel' effect?

                Gern

                PS I was sure I'd replied about the decals masking - unless I put it on the wrong post or summat! Not sure which method to use yet, I'll maybe do some spare decals on a bit of scrap using the same paints etc and try out the suggestions.



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                • Guest

                  #38
                  Great work Dave, I didn't realise just how big this was till I saw it on the printer. Fantastic...

                  Andy

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                  • flyjoe180
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                    • Jan 2012
                    • 12433
                    • Joe
                    • Earth

                    #39
                    Looks great Dave. This is going to look the bees knees.

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                    • Guest

                      #40
                      This is looking good Dave.

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                      • yak face
                        Moderator
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 13844
                        • Tony
                        • Sheffield

                        #41
                        Originally posted by \
                        OK. That's got the building part done. Just got to touch up some small gaps on the pylons and then I'll be painting.[ATTACH]89614[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]89615[/ATTACH]

                        While I'm here, I have another question. I've got another kit on the go (details later) and had to clean up a seam on the canopy. It filed off OK and I used a succession of finer grits to clean the sanding marks. I finished off with some toothpaste - as I don't have any polishing compound - and a soft cloth and got it looking OK. I've heard that canopies can be improved with a coat of Johnson's Clear, so that's what I did - brush painted some on. Does anyone know why my Clear has dried with a faint but very noticeable 'orange peel' effect?

                        Gern

                        PS I was sure I'd replied about the decals masking - unless I put it on the wrong post or summat! Not sure which method to use yet, I'll maybe do some spare decals on a bit of scrap using the same paints etc and try out the suggestions.
                        I always dip my canopies in the Klear Dave , I have an old Bovril jar full of it (klear not Bovril!!) and holding it at the edge with tweezers just immerse them completely , then take out , let the excess drip off and put on a piece of kitchen roll in the bottom of an old ice cream tub and put the lid on to stop any airborne dust settling on it while its wet . 24 hours later its sparkly clear. Maybe its the brush that caused the marks , the good thing is Klear dissolves in itself so you can get the orange peel off by immersing the canopy and leaving it for an hour or two, then taking out and doing the above. As for the decals on the pylons I reckon Ian has nailed it , white tack sounds perfect to me . cheers tony

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                        • Gern
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                          • May 2009
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                          #42
                          Thanks for the nice comments guys.

                          Tony - I'm going to do just what you said. Soak them in Clear for a while then drain and let them dry in a box with a lid. I have no idea what's caused the Clear to act as it has - maybe I didn't clean off all the toothpaste I used for polishing?

                          I agree that white tack will probably do the masking I need, but I still want to try a test piece. Some of the decals tore while I was putting them on so I know they're rather delicate.

                          Gern

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                          • papa 695
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                            • May 2011
                            • 22771

                            #43
                            Yes Dave better safe than sorry

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                            • Gern
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                              • May 2009
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                              #44
                              OK. I did exactly what you said Tony - and got absolutely nowhere. If anything the 'orange peel' effect was worse.

                              I've looked at the parts under my magnifier and there is some sort of dirt/grease on the plastic. I've tried the following:

                              Neat ammonia (recommended for removing Klear)

                              Two general purpose household cleaners

                              Windowlene

                              Washing-up liquid

                              Liquid hand soap

                              Concentrated bleach

                              Vinegar

                              Any suggestions guys 'cos the dirt is still there!?

                              Gern

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                              • yak face
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                                • Jun 2009
                                • 13844
                                • Tony
                                • Sheffield

                                #45
                                OK try this Dave. Take it back to square one, soak the canopy in klearfor a few hoursvthen when you take it out rinse it in soapy water straight away , this should hopefully get all the klear off it. Then its a case of looking at the plastic and seeing if there's anything left on it like grease, toothpaste etc. Let us know how you get on . tony

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