Phils' Dragon Me262A-1/U4

[Guest]

The turned barrel looks to be of nice quality. Are you doing an open breech and open cannon bay or all closed up? I have never seen a modeller do a 262U4 with an open cannon bay. There are plenty of photos of 262U4s with open breeches and bays, so it would be nice to see something different


Of note, you should prime all the turned metal parts. Or, even better, slightly scuff up the metal with a scotch pad, then apply cellulose based Mr Surfacer 1000, then apply the real colours. This will impart an extremely tough adhesion to the metal to paint.


John

[PhilJ]

The turned barrel looks to be of nice quality. Are you doing an open breech and open cannon bay or all closed up? I have never seen a modeller do a 262U4 with an open cannon bay. There are plenty of photos of 262U4s with open breeches and bays, so it would be nice to see something different
Of note, you should prime all the turned metal parts. Or, even better, slightly scuff up the metal with a scotch pad, then apply cellulose based Mr Surfacer 1000, then apply the real colours. This will impart an extremely tough adhesion to the metal to paint.


John

Hi john


Just had a late one, yes I am going to have a open cannon bay, although I must say I have not seen any pics of a open bay with the 50mm cannon that I can remember.


Funnily enough I glued then lightly keyed the barrel before two light coats of Vallejo primer, I waited for it to dry then added two light dusts of alclad II steel followed with a dust of alclad II burnt iron on the muzzle.


It's a subtle contrast but it's come out very nice and I'm happy with the result.


Assembled cannon picture hopefully tomorrow night along with some weathered internal fuse pics.


Cheers


Phil

[Guest]

Hi john
Just had a late one, yes I am going to have a open cannon bay, although I must say I have not seen any pics of a open bay with the 50mm cannon that I can remember.


Funnily enough I glued then lightly keyed the barrel before two light coats of Vallejo primer, I waited for it to dry then added two light dusts of alclad II steel followed with a dust of alclad II burnt iron on the muzzle.


It's a subtle contrast but it's come out very nice and I'm happy with the result.


Assembled cannon picture hopefully tomorrow night along with some weathered internal fuse pics.


Cheers


Phil

I can send you a few photos of open ones if you want


John

[Guest]

Hi john
Just had a late one, yes I am going to have a open cannon bay, although I must say I have not seen any pics of a open bay with the 50mm cannon that I can remember.


Funnily enough I glued then lightly keyed the barrel before two light coats of Vallejo primer, I waited for it to dry then added two light dusts of alclad II steel followed with a dust of alclad II burnt iron on the muzzle.


It's a subtle contrast but it's come out very nice and I'm happy with the result.


Assembled cannon picture hopefully tomorrow night along with some weathered internal fuse pics.


Cheers


Phil

When using large metal pieces, I use a hand blowtorch and solder iron and solder, and bond metal to metal. A much more effective method than glue

[PhilJ]

I can send you a few photos of open ones if you want
John

Yeah you can do john if you don't mind.


Cheers


Phil

[Guest]

Here you go


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[Snowman]

Here you go

You don't think this nose looks to big do you??o_O


Damn, they sure were in a rush to shoot down those Allied bombers!!


The down side with larger calibre weapons is that you are restricted to the amount of ammo that you can carry as you have already imposed a massive weight penalty by fitting the cannon. Another issue is that you have to very accurate with the limited ammo to realise the benefits of firing such a large explosive projectile.ops:


I'm not too sure that bigger is always better.......just look at the Maus.

[Guest]

You don't think this nose looks to big do you??o_O
Damn, they sure were in a rush to shoot down those Allied bombers!!


The down side with larger calibre weapons is that you are restricted to the amount of ammo that you can carry as you have already imposed a massive weight penalty by fitting the cannon. Another issue is that you have to very accurate with the limited ammo to realise the benefits of firing such a large explosive projectile.ops:


I'm not too sure that bigger is always better.......just look at the Maus.

still don't understand why they call it the maus/mouse.


The reason why it (262) never entered mainstream production, was because the large calibre flak gun would jam at high Gs, especially when reloading


John

[PhilJ]

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I've seen these john, sorry I thought you meant a more detailed photo of inside the bay. I don't think such a photo exists although I have found some photos of the cannon alone inside a museum


Cheers


Phil

[PhilJ]

Office finished with Matt Vallejo and underneath with klear and a mix of Vallejo black wash with umber pastel dust

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[Robert1968]

Just caught up on this and after reading comments etc think I'll tag along from here on in


Looking good so far Phil, I did the me262 last year with the six cannon and what I can remember there were no fit issues and enjoyed the kit however never put in all the wiring like you have


Awesome office ( lots of colour and interest there so far


Regards


Robert

[Guest]

The piping looks great.. stay on the medium-light side on weathering as these aircraft were only 1-3 months old when they entered production., especially the prototypes. There should be a seen difference in hte nose section to the fuselage and wings in terms of weathering. The engine should look fairly new as well, as these were replaced every 3 days or so. Unless you are aiming for a museum aircraft, (which there are none of the U4)


Cheers, John

[Guest]

I've seen these john, sorry I thought you meant a more detailed photo of inside the bay. I don't think such a photo exists although I have found some photos of the cannon alone inside a museum
Cheers


Phil

I do have a pic of a U4 looking onto the flak gun from above. That is the best pic I have, but I will have to find it

[Robert1968]

The piping looks great.. stay on the medium-light side on weathering as these aircraft were only 1-3 months old when they entered production., especially the prototypes. There should be a seen difference in hte nose section to the fuselage and wings in terms of weathering. The engine should look fairly new as well, as these were replaced every 3 days or so. Unless you are aiming for a museum aircraft, (which there are none of the U4)
Cheers, John

Hi john


Now your obviously an ME 262 nut!! Pardon the pun but from my research into this aircraft and its derivatives did the me262 when it first went under testing have a tail drag landing gear? I'm sure I saw a you tube video on this. Now it would be nice to see an early version of this in kit form other than the experimental versions that eduard do?


Do you know how


1 I would be able to obtain the kit for a latter project


2 if such aircraft existed what was the serial no or build number for reference purposes ( 1/48 would be my preferred kit build


Regards


Robert

[Guest]

Hi john
Now your obviously an ME 262 nut!! Pardon the pun but from my research into this aircraft and its derivatives did the me262 when it first went under testing have a tail drag landing gear? I'm sure I saw a you tube video on this. Now it would be nice to see an early version of this in kit form other than the experimental versions that eduard do?


Do you know how


1 I would be able to obtain the kit for a latter project


2 if such aircraft existed what was the serial no or build number for reference purposes ( 1/48 would be my preferred kit build


Regards


Robert

Yes. I am an me 262 nut- look at my avatar! Yes I think special hobby or one of the Czech manufacturers do it. I would like to do an early prototype German Me 262. I saw it at the Australian model expo, but I had burnt my budget limit by then


-High Planes do an Me 262V1


-MPM Me 262V9


Oh and for your info, Revell do excellent 1/72 luft 46 in mainstream production


Special hobby also do an He 280 for your reference


John