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  • Steven000
    SMF Supporters
    • Aug 2018
    • 2827
    • Steven
    • Belgium

    #31
    Nice progress Barry, love the ordnance! :thumb2:
    Steven

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    • BarryW
      SMF Supporters
      • Jul 2011
      • 6010

      #32
      The engine nacelles are a poor fit and I have been struggling to get them in place, that done, I have a lot of filling and sanding to do. Pictures to follow.

      There is a bit of an issue that is more usually found on Kitty Hawk kits not Trumpy.
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      Note part NN3 and compare the instruction illustration with the plastic and alternative metal NN3.
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      The next illustration is consistent with the former but not the parts.
      However the parts are at least consistent with each other. You can see from the locations where they go. No real problem as such as it happens.
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      The Quinta Studios detailing set has arrived and I am very impressed. It looks much better than etch.
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      Instructions are good and I am looking forward to giving it a go and see how it goes together.

      I will finish off the work on the engine nacelles and the undercarriage first though.

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      • BarryW
        SMF Supporters
        • Jul 2011
        • 6010

        #33
        Originally posted by Murfie
        Barry, I don't know whether this would be any help but issue 68 of Model Airplane International magazine has a comprehensive article on the Frogfoot and 1/32 Trumpeter kit build. Has several colour schemas. If you want a copy but can't locate that issue, I'd be happy to photocopy and send you the article if you send me an email address via PM.

        Regards,

        Murfie
        Thanks Murfie.
        can you please send me a photocopy. I will pm.

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        • Guest

          #34
          Originally posted by BarryW
          Thanks Murfie.
          can you please send me a photocopy. I will pm.
          Done.

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          • BarryW
            SMF Supporters
            • Jul 2011
            • 6010

            #35
            Time to show some pics of the challenge I am facing with the engine nacelles. They just do not accurately align.
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            Above you can see where I used a sliver of white plastic to sort a mismatch at the exhaust end. It still needs a little sanding. The surface detail is also mismatched but I expect that to be pretty well sanded away anyway. I will scribe back some of this.

            it was even worse further forward where I had to do a lot of cutting and sanding to make a space to fit the panel. I am not sure how I would have sorted that if I wanted the panel open as it would have looked obviously wrong. I am left with this below, lots of filling and sanding to do.
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            Further forward is the wheel well and that is not so bad, fortunately. It is very slightly out but not enough to notice, provided you are not zoomed in on it that is!!!

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            The intakes pretty much match up.

            below are some of the cockpit components. I now need to sand away detail from many areas to be replaced by the detailing set.

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            The weapon pylons. I had to match the up to the stores to make sure there was a match. Some needed sway braces, some not, where I needed them I had to make sure the were positioned correctly for the specific store the pylon will carry. The instructions say nothing about doing this. The top two are aftermarket resin pylons as these are not provided by the kit.
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            a few more subs below.
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            in spite of the engine nacelle fit this is going together rather well. This is a very good kit.

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            • Tim Marlow
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 18903
              • Tim
              • Somerset UK

              #36
              Great looking work Barry. Well thought through on the intakes and stores as well.

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              • BarryW
                SMF Supporters
                • Jul 2011
                • 6010

                #37
                I have removed the detail by scraping and sanding on the parts below ready to apply the Quantas Studios detailing set.
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                I am very impressed with this set which has some very good detailed instructions. I will be painting the above though before Quantas application. First though I want to finish off the sanding/fitting of the nacelles and then do a thorough clean up of all the dust........

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                • BarryW
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 6010

                  #38
                  I have been getting on with painting. The nature of the detailing set means I need to paint and weather first before application.

                  I have not used so many shades of grey and green before on a single kit.

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                  I will post more before Christmas

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                  • BarryW
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 6010

                    #39
                    Here is a quick look around the workbench to see where I am at. I won’t get much more done for a few days, if anything, as my Missus would kill me if I disappeared to the bench over Christmas. I won’t even get a few hours of peace Boxing Day as there are no sales for her to disappear off to this year!!!

                    Some parts in the box lid awaiting their turn including the ordnance which is complete awaiting installation in final fittings. The wings etc are just primed to awaiting to be fitted/painted.
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                    here are the pylons and gear doors. These just need final matt coats which I will do when I get to this stage with the airframe.
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                    Below the wheel wells, pin washes and dry brushing done, likewise the parts in the two pictures below that.
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                    I have just applied a water based gloss varnish to the seat padding and control column bottom. I will be doing a wash once the varnish has dried. These parts also have some of the 3D decals for detailing to apply.
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                    Here are the remaining cockpit parts all finished with varnishes, washes and metal powders waiting for me to apply the detailing set also pictured. I will do a detailed explanation of how this new type of detailing works out. These look far superior to etch and I can see this type grow in popularity provided it is ‘usable’. We shall see...
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                    I probably won’t get a chance to do more before Christmas so have a great one....

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                    • BarryW
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 6010

                      #40
                      I spent an hour with the Quintas detailing set....

                      These are described as 3D decals and are an alternative to etch detailing sets.

                      Well I have used etch sets several times and I have a love/hate relationship with them while my relationship with decals is pure hatred, so how do these match up....

                      just feel the love people.......

                      Materials used:
                      cocktail sticks
                      white glue
                      thick c.a.
                      warm water
                      fine pointed tweezers
                      cotton buds

                      Forget conventional decals, these are vinyl so they have strength and do not splinter and there is no carrier film. The printing and detail are superior to etch and, of course, they have 3d detailing and are not just flat.

                      Starting with the main i.p. I applied a layer of white glue over the plastic panel then remove the detailing part from the backing paper in the usual way.
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                      I blotted excess water from the ‘decal’.
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                      then positioned it on the panel, a perfect fit.
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                      There are a couple of other small items to add, then...
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                      the panel is pictured next to a couple of levers that need adding. I will use thick c.a. for these, they have more ‘substance’ than the awful etch equivalent so I am optimistic that this will work. I will wait though a few hours to make sure the main panel is fully dry before I attach these.

                      some small details to various parts, all dead easy.
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                      A side panel, next to a lever to add, again I will do it after the main panel is dry.
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                      Now, some parts need ‘building out’ and to be given more depth. You can see below a small part to be layered onto the larger side panel.
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                      Easy peasy.....
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                      but there is more to be layered on top of that... a lever needs making up from three pieces...
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                      I used a small drop of thick c.a.
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                      that’s the two halves together just the end to go as shown clearly in the instructions.
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                      All done...
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                      Below a side consol fitted but with a number of levers etc needing to be added later with c.a.
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                      below are parts for the seat.
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                      when I get back to the bench I will finish the seat and i will see how well various levers attach....

                      so far, very good indeed and very easy...

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                      • Tim Marlow
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 18903
                        • Tim
                        • Somerset UK

                        #41
                        Loving the look of those Barry. A very worthwhile upgrade and a cut above Eduard self coloured etch.

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                        • outrunner
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 2420

                          #42
                          That stuff looks absolutely brilliant much better looking than etch and decals, I can see a bright future for that product.

                          Andy.

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                          • BarryW
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 6010

                            #43
                            Some pictures of the finished cockpit
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                            The seatbelts benefitted from a brown wash.

                            Side panel with levels in position
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                            The finished i.p. With levers
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                            The completed pit looking suitably busy.
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                            The cockpit sub all done
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                            Attached Files

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                            • BarryW
                              SMF Supporters
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 6010

                              #44
                              Blimey my cracked thumb nail and skin!!!!

                              Anyway, back to business.....

                              I can confidently say that these 3D printed detailing decals are the way forward. Forget etch, it really does not match up to this product in any way. It’s better detailed, better fitting, easier to use and simply looks the biz.....

                              I believe that other companies are going to get in on these such as Kits World and if their stuff is as well produced as these Quintas sets then we will be in for a real treat.

                              The only drawback - right now a limited range of product but that will change. If you want a detailing set then look for 3D decals first and only use etch if you cannot find these.

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                              • Guest

                                #45
                                As good as it looks, it's not many steps away from a pre-painted assembly only kit. I do hope it isn't adopted across the board as I much prefer the work and effort of painting and detailing. It's all part of the fun of the hobby.

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