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  • JMARC
    • Sep 2008
    • 352

    #16
    Whooooo, houuu..Interesting . Like JAKKO said the best way it,s to learn from your adventure..Seen your pic, here what I would do , painted the panel , they sale dial decals or you can print on paper dial and glued them with white glue depending what sort of result will satisfy you ! ..Of course I,ll be following your WIP ,so keep it up cause we all when true these situation !.. Go,go,goooooooooooo

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    • arb65912
      • May 2022
      • 202

      #17
      Originally posted by Jakko
      The best way to learn is from your own mistakes, I think :smiling3: But what you have there looks salvageable — on the real plane, much of the instrument panel would be painted black or grey or something, I expect? The glue doesn’t seem to have affected the faces of any dials, the screen etc. so just paint the areas that should not remain clear and you’re probably good.
      Thanks, since I ordered the canopy replacement, I will use the old one for tests.
      Where can I find some video or directions on painting cockpit? The manual does not say anything about it.

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      • arb65912
        • May 2022
        • 202

        #18
        Originally posted by JMARC
        Whooooo, houuu..Interesting . Like JAKKO said the best way it,s to learn from your adventure..Seen your pic, here what I would do , painted the panel , they sale dial decals or you can print on paper dial and glued them with white glue depending what sort of result will satisfy you ! ..Of course I,ll be following your WIP ,so keep it up cause we all when true these situation !.. Go,go,goooooooooooo
        Thanks, the real problem is I have no idea what steps to follow to paint the cockpit. :tears-of-joy:

        QUESTION FOR ALL: what glue do I use for attaching transparent parts to plastic or metal?

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        • JMARC
          • Sep 2008
          • 352

          #19
          Originally posted by arb65912
          Thanks, the real problem is I have no idea what steps to follow to paint the cockpit. :tears-of-joy:

          QUESTION FOR ALL: what glue do I use for attaching transparent parts to plastic or metal?
          ..In my case here is my sequence of work , I paint the parts ,I details the parts and I assemble them after , here an exemple ..

          Step 1.. PAINT /WASH/DRY-BRUSH ..
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          STEP 2.. I details the part by adding what missing , all the parts that are added are painted before and than I glued them into place ,than I apply decals !

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          STEP 3 ..I glued the parts together with CA glue all the time , you do not need to put a lot just anought to hold the parts together, be carefull cause CA can fog clear parts no recomanded if you close your canopy unless you use it on the outside of seem .. CA come in several thickness so you have to choose what you feel that it's the right tickness for ther work you wish to do !

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          Enjoy and looking forward for your next move !

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          • Mickc1440
            SMF Supporters
            • Apr 2018
            • 4779

            #20
            I usually use PVA to attach canopies then there's no issue with fogging. I also use the PVA in the dials on the instruments to represent the lenses in. I've also used crystal clear to attach canopies which also works.

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            • arb65912
              • May 2022
              • 202

              #21
              Originally posted by JMARC
              Step 1.. PAINT /WASH/DRY-BRUSH ..

              STEP 2.. I details the part by adding what missing , all the parts that are added are painted before and than I glued them into place ,than I apply decals !

              STEP 3 ..I glued the parts together with CA glue all the time , you do not need to put a lot just anought to hold the parts together, be carefull cause CA can fog clear parts no recomanded if you close your canopy unless you use it on the outside of seem .. CA come in several thickness so you have to choose what you feel that it's the right tickness for ther work you wish to do !
              Thanks, JMARC but I do have additional questions. :smiling:
              In my case I need to take one step at a time, first will be paint.
              Wash and Dry Brush will have to come later on :tongue-out3:
              I already said I ordered new cockpit but I want to try some things on the messed up one.

              I think I will have the canopy closed so CA is not recommended. In that case what do I use to glue parts inside the cockpit?

              QUESTIONS FOR ALL WHO WANT TO CHIP IN:
              1. For now, let's just concentrate on cockpits painting, I want to use acrylic paint, do I need a primer?
              2. If I use a primer for cockpit, do I dilute it for airbrush painting? What ratio?

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              • arb65912
                • May 2022
                • 202

                #22
                Originally posted by Mickc1440
                I usually use PVA to attach canopies then there's no issue with fogging. I also use the PVA in the dials on the instruments to represent the lenses in. I've also used crystal clear to attach canopies which also works.
                Thanks Mickc1440 I assume that PVA glue is that white one for all applications, but do you mind attaching couple links, so I make sure I get the right one?

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                • JMARC
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 352

                  #23
                  Originally posted by arb65912
                  Thanks, JMARC but I do have additional questions. :smiling:
                  In my case I need to take one step at a time, first will be paint.
                  Wash and Dry Brush will have to come later on :tongue-out3:
                  I already said I ordered new cockpit but I want to try some things on the messed up one.

                  I think I will have the canopy closed so CA is not recommended. In that case what do I use to glue parts inside the cockpit?

                  QUESTIONS FOR ALL WHO WANT TO CHIP IN:
                  1. For now, let's just concentrate on cockpits painting, I want to use acrylic paint, do I need a primer?
                  2. If I use a primer for cockpit, do I dilute it for airbrush painting? What ratio?
                  .Of course you can us CA to glue your interior parts as long you place the glue on strategic point , try elmer clear glue (they use to do in white but now it's clear) but there is also other glue you can use ,!
                  Depending of the color of the plastic i prime them all the time, for dilution it depend how thin you want your paint job to be !

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                  • arb65912
                    • May 2022
                    • 202

                    #24
                    Originally posted by JMARC
                    .Of course you can us CA to glue your interior parts as long you place the glue on strategic point , try elmer clear glue (they use to do in white but now it's clear) but there is also other glue you can use ,!
                    Depending of the color of the plastic i prime them all the time, for dilution it depend how thin you want your paint job to be !
                    Sorry to drag it but I want to make sure I understand... :smiling: (keep in mind English is my second language).
                    I can use the CA in cockpit even if the canopy will be closed, but I have to make sure CA is cured/hardened before I close canopy, correct?

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                    • arb65912
                      • May 2022
                      • 202

                      #25
                      Here is my next step, it took ME a relatively long time to sand parts, so they fit.
                      I also sanded the leading edge of flaps with finishing file (I do not know the grit) stick that has two colors white and black and gray on the other side.
                      I assumed that since there are metal hinges there, it would be much harder to sand it after wing halves are glued together.

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                      • AlanG
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 6296

                        #26
                        I personally wouldn't use those metal clamps to hold things together. They tend to leave marks on the plastic.

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                        • arb65912
                          • May 2022
                          • 202

                          #27
                          Originally posted by AlanG
                          I personally wouldn't use those metal clamps to hold things together. They tend to leave marks on the plastic.
                          Thanks, Alan. Now you are not going to believe it, but I DID think about it, I saw them leaving a tiny hole which will be gone after sanding and priming but why to put them on if not needed? :smiling5:
                          Ordered new set of clamps with soft pads on tips.

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                          • Tim Marlow
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 18932
                            • Tim
                            • Somerset UK

                            #28
                            Yes is the answer to your CA question Andrzej. For clear parts PVA, as suggested by Mick works well. There are other alternatives as well……
                            I use this, mostly because it was on sale in my local hobby shop
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                            Others use watchmakers crystal cement, used for putting the glass on the front of watches, so it obviously dries very clear and strong, and still others use microscale crystal clear…
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                            Personally I’d go with whatever is easiest to obtain for you. They all work….

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                            • JMARC
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 352

                              #29
                              Originally posted by arb65912
                              Sorry to drag it but I want to make sure I understand... :smiling: (keep in mind English is my second language).
                              I can use the CA in cockpit even if the canopy will be closed, but I have to make sure CA is cured/hardened before I close canopy, correct?
                              No trouble at all... English is also my second language ...Yes you got it right .!

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                              • Guest

                                #30
                                Originally posted by arb65912
                                Where can I find some video or directions on painting cockpit?
                                I would just look up photos of the real plane’s cockpit and see what colours everything is. For example:

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