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  • Waspie
    • Mar 2023
    • 3488
    • Doug
    • Fraggle Rock

    #16
    Originally posted by Andy the Sheep
    I think you're right, and me too, but just about my crossed eyes!
    It's the curvature of the forward metal edge of the canopy that throws out the perspective!!

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    • adt70hk
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      • Sep 2019
      • 10409

      #17
      Originally posted by Waspie
      It's the curvature of the forward metal edge of the canopy that throws out the perspective!!
      Now that's a much more professional answer of what I was trying to say! :smiling5:

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      • adt70hk
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        • Sep 2019
        • 10409

        #18
        Originally posted by stona
        Just thought to mention that 'Red 2' does not have a bomb slung beneath but and 'abwurfbehalter' basically a cluster munition container. It hinged at the tail.
        A quick google of 'Luftwaffe AB 250' will turn something up.
        Thanks Steve. I've had a quick look online and see what you mean. I've also had a look at the sprue and I'm pretty sure what I took to be a large bomb, is one of these abwurfbehalters. It certainly has the same general proportions and the same flatish nose - as below.

        Thanks

        Andrew


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        • adt70hk
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          • Sep 2019
          • 10409

          #19
          Originally posted by stona
          'Red 2' was a lot more mucky than in your profile!

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1215637[/ATTACH]
          The white winter camouflage was rather roughly applied.
          Originally posted by AlanG
          adt70hk This is the aircraft i want to do but with a few added extras lol

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          Steve, Al

          I have jut come across an entry elsewhere below), which I suggests that the red nose was not actually red in real life, or have I misunderstood it????? Do you have any thoughts either way?

          Thanks

          Andrew

          Hello everyone, it's been a while. Does anyone know if I/SG2 had Fw 190F-8s numbered Red (or Blue) 1 and 3? There're two know photos of Red (or Blue) 2 and 9, so I assume the former was the case. Cheers!

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          • stona
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            • Jul 2008
            • 9889

            #20
            Morrison is someone whose opinion always carries a lot of weight, and with good reason.

            His point is valid, would the Luftwaffe have employed red 'kennung'/codes and painted red identification markings on aircraft operating against the VVS?

            Unfortunately, neither he nor anyone else knows with any certainty and there is no answer to the question, at least with the information now available.

            If you go with the suggested red nobody can say that's wrong, but the same applies if you go for blue or, dare I say it, black.

            When I made a model of this very aircraft some years ago I went with red.

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            • AlanG
              • Dec 2008
              • 6296

              #21
              Eduard show this aircraft as being Blue 2 with a blue nose cowl.



              But i prefer it in Red

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              • adt70hk
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                • Sep 2019
                • 10409

                #22
                Originally posted by stona
                Morrison is someone whose opinion always carries a lot of weight, and with good reason.

                His point is valid, would the Luftwaffe have employed red 'kennung'/codes and painted red identification markings on aircraft operating against the VVS?

                Unfortunately, neither he nor anyone else knows with any certainty and there is no answer to the question, at least with the information now available.

                If you go with the suggested red nobody can say that's wrong, but the same applies if you go for blue or, dare I say it, black.

                When I made a model of this very aircraft some years ago I went with red.
                Originally posted by AlanG
                Eduard show this aircraft as being Blue 2 with a blue nose cowl.



                But i prefer it in Red :smiling3:
                Steve, Al

                Thank you so much for your input much appreciated!

                Andrew

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                • adt70hk
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                  • Sep 2019
                  • 10409

                  #23
                  Morning all!

                  So I made a very small amount of progress at model club on Tuesday evening and have the basics of one of the cockpits together. The good news for Hans and Herman is that, unlike their Airfix 1/72 WWII RAF counterparts, I won't have to chop their feet off to make them fit!

                  However, most of the time was spent thinking about a way of making the flight stand work, so it can can be removed for storage - something which I think I have done but more about that later

                  ATB

                  Andrew


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                  'Hans' looking nice and comfortable:


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                  • adt70hk
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                    • Sep 2019
                    • 10409

                    #24
                    Good morning all

                    So a small update......only three and a half months after the start of this GB over on the other forum. Over the past few months I have managed to get some building done - albeit VERY slowly and then yesterday managed to get down the internal RLM66 colour.

                    You'll also note from the below that I'm doing both of these wheels up. I've also sprayed the inside of the wings and wheel wells black just to make sure no light seeps through from anywhere.

                    Oh........and you'll note a fairly large hole in both of the bottom wing/fuselage sections but more about that later!

                    ATB

                    Andrew



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                    • adt70hk
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                      • Sep 2019
                      • 10409

                      #25
                      OK chaps....so cockpits finished...despite Airfix instructions doing there best to confuse things by saying you should add the two final parts almost right at the end of the build, when there is no logical reason why the offending parts could not put on at the start - especially as I had already sprayed the cockpits before I discovered the error.

                      Also pilot's are done. I managed to lose one after I cut him off the sprue for a test dry fit, so had to nick one from another kit.....he's quite a bit larger and had his legs spread out, so I had to dip him in boiling water for a bit before bending them in a bit. I have not spent a lot of time on them, as I know not much will be seen once the canopy is on.

                      Frustratingly though, a huge amount of work on the cockpit is wasted - even for a plane at this scale it is REALLY bad. A test fit of the cockpit shows that absolutely nothing of the IP etc. will be at all visible.

                      Finally, what never ceases to amaze me is how many paints you need to even do a simple figure.....it's truly bonkers sometimes....

                      ACW as usual.

                      Andrew


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                      These were all the paints I used for just three simple figures....and two have the same uniforms! (2x FW 190 and 1x Japanese pilot)






                      Not my best work but the figures really aren't that good.....plus not much of them will be seen.








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                      • adt70hk
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                        • Sep 2019
                        • 10409

                        #26
                        Good afternoon chaps!

                        So, seven weeks after the last update, at long last some movement.

                        The old work situation was sapping it out of me although I had been looking at this in fits and starts

                        Now that is sorted in the form of a new job the mojo has been returning, although the stop/start nature of the process did cause quite a few problems. Also, I was trying some things for the first time – and so most of the issues were of my doing.

                        So, here’s a summary of what’s what:

                        • The pilot I had nicked from an Airfix 109 kit to replace the one I lost turned out to be much bigger and so caused fit issues when tyring to join the fuselage halves together.

                        • After gluing in the cockpit tubs, as per the instructions, I discovered they weren’t at all level when it came to joining the fuselage halves and so caused some problems – but that may be my fault.

                        • There were some fit issues around the engine covers, whilst it may have been my fault, the issue was in exactly the same place on both kits and so can’t rule out a kit issue.

                        • One of the wings on one of the kits also seemed slightly more bent than the others and so needed encouragement to glue in place at the correct angle.

                        • On one of them I forgot to put in the piece that includes the exhausts, which you have to do before you join the two halves…DOH!

                        • The holes I drilled in the bottom for the flight stands were too far forward, causing problems with the fit of the centre-line ordinance/drop tank – I’ve never done this before, so I’ll put that down as a learning experience.

                        • With the second plane I also found a better way to attach the magnet I am using for mounting on the flight stand.

                        However…..worst of all though and unusually, at least in my experience, the top wing halves were a solid piece and not separate parts that slot alongside the side of the fuselage.

                        I got it ok on the first one but given the long time-lag, on the second one, by the time I realised it was far too late. Fortunately though, I am doing these wheels up in flight and so not having the wheel wells is an issue, so I just cut out the mid-sections and slotted them in……next time I’ll read the instructions!!!

                        And yesterday morning they received a nice coat of black primer. They just need a few more hours for it to cure properly.

                        ACW as usual.

                        ATB

                        Andrew

                        PS sorry about all the pics……



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                        You can just see the wonky alignment of the cockpit!







                        The stupid wing error on the second plane and - in my opinion - my remarkably elegant solution!
















                        Encouraging the bent wing to glue at correct angle!







                        The ‘in flight’ solution….

                        One of the holes…both are too far forward….





                        Solution 1 to mount the magnet was a block of styrene cut to the appropriate length….








                        The better solution was to lay thick-ish strips of styrene across the hole…..







                        An example of what one of the magnets looks like in place. This is one mounted on a block. The one mounted on the styrene strips is far more flush.










                        They will actually be mounted on these, with the small washers going over the stubs on the stands.










                        A quick test flight!











                        And finally on with the primer!



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                        • Tworrs
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                          • Jan 2022
                          • 1981
                          • Garry
                          • New Zealand

                          #27
                          Great progress, and elegant solutions abound.
                          Strength isn't about what you can do, rather it's about overcoming what you thought you couldn't do.

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                          • A_J_Rimmer
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                            • May 2024
                            • 801
                            • Arnold
                            • North Wales

                            #28
                            Very nice progress - I like the magnet idea.
                            Arnold Judas Rimmer BSc SSc

                            ''Happiness is a Triple Fried Egg Sandwich with Chilli Sauce and Chutney''

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                            • adt70hk
                              SMF Supporters
                              • Sep 2019
                              • 10409

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Tworrs
                              Great progress, and elegant solutions abound.
                              Originally posted by A_J_Rimmer
                              Very nice progress - I like the magnet idea.
                              Thanks chaps! Glad you're liking them so far.

                              ATB

                              Andrew

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                              • Lee Drennen
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                                • Apr 2018
                                • 7711

                                #30
                                Just caught up Andrew look very nice

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