Late WW2 Bf110D pics wanted

[Guest]

I can remember seeing pictures years ago of a couple of Bf110Ds late in WW2 with a black/white split under wing camo, grey/dark grey mottled top camo, flame dampers & full radar all fitted from field

kits and retaining the belly tank but can't seem to find anything like this in the few books I still have or on line, so I was just wondering if anybody else had any idea or if I'm thinking of a totally different plane?

I want to build an unusual 110 with the Eduard weekend kit so not worried about having to buy aftermarket bits.

[PaulTRose]

so this must have been a colour pic?

i will have a look thro my collection of pics later when i get the chance

[Guest]

so this must have been a colour pic?i will have a look thro my collection of pics later when i get the chance

Yep, it was a couple of colour pics, with crew sitting on crates in front (I think!)

[Guest]

Hi Ian is it something like this that you are after?

[stona]

Black/White undersides? Are you sure we're talking Bf 110s?

More tomorrow.

Steve

[Guest]

Yep, I think I have some, I will post soon.

John

[flyjoe180]

Do you mean something like this one?

I also found another build featuring this unusual scheme here http://hsfeatures.com/features04/bf110g4fw_1.htm

[stona]

Are we talking Bf 110 Ds or Gs here! The Bf 110 D was not a night fighter. Versions were built as reconnaissance, bomber, and long range ('dackelbauch' equipped) versions. They were really a transitional series between the C and E series. The D series was in production alongside the E series in 1940.

The black wing was a late war marking on some night fighters to aid recognition by 'friendly' flak gunners. There is a famous photograph of an He 219 marked in this way. I have a profile of a Bf 110 G-4, W.Nr. 110087, coded B4+KA, with the starboard wing underside black but I'm b*ggered if I can find the photo the artist used

Cheers

Steve

[Guest]

Are we talking Bf 110 Ds or Gs here! The Bf 110 D was not a night fighter. Versions were built as reconnaissance, bomber, and long range ('dackelbauch' equipped) versions. They were really a transitional series between the C and E series. The D series was in production alongside the E series in 1940.The black wing was a late war marking on some night fighters to aid recognition by 'friendly' flak gunners. There is a famous photograph of an He 219 marked in this way. I have a profile of a Bf 110 G-4, W.Nr. 110087, coded B4+KA, with the starboard wing underside black but I'm b*ggered if I can find the photo the artist used

Cheers

Steve

I've found numerous g2 and g4 pics but no 'D' in this scheme so I can only assume it's my memory playing tricks :$ but I've found a couple of 'D' night fighters fitted with radar and pictures on strange Russian sites and even the cyber hobby 1/48 kit so maybe not?

Depending on the kit options I might change completely and go for an Iraqi scheme...

Arghhhh nothing is ever easy!

[stona]

I didn't mean to imply no other types were converted to, or built as, night fighters. This was the fate of many Bf 110s following their less than brilliant display in the BoB. I probably didn't type a very clear reply above, apologies for that.

For example a Luftwaffe report of 14/9/40 states a night fighter strength of 41 Bf 110s (22 operational) a mixture of Cs and Ds.

The Bf 110 was evaluated as a possible night fighter and a report made as early as 26/11/39.

The scheme in which the underside of the starboard wing was painted black was a late war identification marking and I'd be surprised to find any Ds marked that way. Nothing's impossible though

Cheers

Steve

[Guest]

apologies for that.

None needed, might do a random 'what if' for the fun of it.

[flyjoe180]

An Iraqi version would be different from the usual.

[Guest]

We'll it looks like an Iraqi version is on the cards, but there's no consensus on their scheme or markings, so I'm going for the strangest one I can find that will work with the hairy stick.

[flyjoe180]

Should be interesting, I've seen a big variation in schemes worn on Iraqi Bf110s.

[stona]

Not to be too pedantic but the Bf 110s sent to Iraq were still German.

A really interesting subject would be the 'Belle of Berlin'. Within ten days of deploying 12 Bf 110s of 4./ZG 76 to Iraq there wasn't a single serviceable aircraft left and the ZG 76 personnel were somewhat ignominiously air lifted out. One Bf 110, W.Nr. 4035 was retrieved by the RAF, towed back to Habbaniyah and restored to air worthy condition using parts found abandoned by the Germans at Mosul (in the news again). It was given the serial HK486 and went via 11 Sqn (at Habbinayah) to Egypt where it was adopted by 267 Sqn. Eventually it made another forced landing whilst on the way to South Africa which ended its amazing career!

It had the shark's mouth marking removed by the British, which makes for an easier subject!

Cheers

Steve