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[eddiesolo]

Now the 110 I would love to build in a night fighter dress code, she was pretty poor at the outbreak of war but found her niche in the night fighter role, can you tell me john price of dragon 110 in 32 scale ? And do dragon still make it?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Revell-1-32-Messerschmitt-BF-110-G-4-/191560796556?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c99e9 c98c


Yes, Dragon still do it IIRC looking at around £80 to £100 for it though.


Si

[Robert1968]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Revell-1-32-Messerschmitt-BF-110-G-4-/191560796556?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c99e9 c98c
Yes, Dragon still do it IIRC looking at around £80 to £100 for it though.


Si

Thanks Si


I think the wife will know that's a biggie and may not let me loose on the 110 just yet ( think she can spend £100 on more useful things ( may stick to the " 1/48 eh??

[stona]

One of the two models in my 'stash', if you can call it that, is a Cyber Hobby 1/32 Bf 110, which is the same kit. I think I paid about a ton for it which is a lot of money. It does look like a nice kit, it's on my list to build for later this year.


I disagree slightly about the Bf 110. You can make a list the early/mid 1930s designs still being operated at the sharp end, let alone built, in 1945 on a very small note pad. That list includes the Bf 110 along with truly great aircraft like the Spitfire and Bf 109.


Cheers


Steve

[Robert1968]

One of the two models in my 'stash', if you can call it that, is a Cyber Hobby 1/32 Bf 110, which is the same kit. I think I paid about a ton for it which is a lot of money. It does look like a nice kit, it's on my list to build for later this year.
I disagree slightly about the Bf 110. You can make a list the early/mid 1930s designs still being operated at the sharp end, let alone built, in 1945 on a very small note pad. That list includes the Bf 110 along with truly great aircraft like the Spitfire and Bf 109.


Cheers


Steve

Hi Steve I think I spoke of the bf110 a little hasty but from ref the Luftwaffe themselves said it was underpowered " Adolf galland said as much, the me109 took presidance over the DB engine development. When the Raf took hold of captured aircraft they mentioned its handling capabilities in a dive to be moderate and although the armament in the nose was adequate the rearward defence was at a disadvantage,in a dogfight it was lacking in manourability. The Luftwaffe were in need of a replacement and the Me 210/ and 410 were somewhat improvements but in limited supply and as there was no real true replacement. The nightfighter g series proved its worth and radar location devices aided this to its success.


Didn't want to upset the applecart too much


Regards


Robert

[stona]

Didn't want to upset the applecart too much


Robert

No danger of that Robert, the Bf 110 certainly did have shortcomings, notably when up against S/E fighters, though it dealt surprisingly well with the Hurricane. I feel it tends to get the short end of the stick when compared to other German aircraft like the Bf 109 or even Ju 88, both of which, like it, soldiered on to the end!


From the C version onwards the Bf 110 got DB 601 engines which were an improvement on the Jumo 210 Gs of the B version. The C-1 managed 530 kph at 3,900 metres which was pretty good for the time. You are correct to say that when improved DB 601 N series engines became available they were prioritised for the Bf 109 F. The minutes of meetings at the RLM on 24 and 31/5/40 confirm this, although by 19/7/40 a volte-face allowed the conversion of Bf 110s "currently in front line service" to the DB 601 N engine and stopped the further conversion of Bf 109 Es (one Gruppe had been converted). These engines were still to be fitted to the new F series 109 and, incredibly, the next series of Bf 110 was to revert to the old DB 601 A. Decision making at the RLM was far from decisive throughout the war. Bang goes another stereotype!


The Bf 110 did make a decent night fighter, most of the top night fighter aces flew it. You may be surprised to know that a report evaluating the Bf 110 in the night fighting role was submitted to the RLM (oddly by JG 2 'Richthofen') as early as 25/10/39, before a meaningful bombing campaign by the British had even started. The report was positive, the only reservation being a lack of instrument flying capability which was obviously overcome later.


The Me 210 was intended as a sort of multi role aircraft to replace the Ju 87, Bf 110 and undertake fast bomber and reconnaissance roles. It was an unmitigated disaster which cost millions of Reich Marks, caused hundreds of workers to be laid off at exactly the time Germany needed them building every aircraft they could, caused chaos at Augsburg and Regensburg, cost not only Me 210 production but also at least 200 Bf 109s, and irredeemably tarnished Willy Messerschmitt's reputation. Despite he or his female relatives, Baroness Lilly von Michel Raulino and Frau Marion von Doderez, owning about one quarter of the 4 million shares in the Messerschmitt AG he was effectively removed from the board and told to stick to designing aeroplanes.


The situation was only redeemed with the much improved version, now designated Me 410, two years too late.


Cheers


Steve