Detail decisions?

[PhilJ]

Thanks guys, I guess because I'm just starting out that as Laurie said I personally would feel as if I'm cheating and as Patrick said I feel as though if I did finish the 262 with all the pieces that were hidden I would feel that warm glow inside.


Saying this it literally will not be seen and I will just be giving into my "OCD" tendencies and it may come in handy for scratch on another model down the line.


I'll sleep on it and who knows I might not even tell you guys...


Cheers


Phil

[Alan 45]

Thanks guys, I guess because I'm just starting out that as Laurie said I personally would feel as if I'm cheating and as Patrick said I feel as though if I did finish the 262 with all the pieces that were hidden I would feel that warm glow inside.
Saying this it literally will not be seen and I will just be giving into my "OCD" tendencies and it may come in handy for scratch on another model down the line.


I'll sleep on it and who knows I might not even tell you guys...


Cheers


Phil

Or you could lie and say you've put them in lol

[Guest]

If it cant be seen I don't waste my time,

[Guest]

It is personal choice, but I wouldn't sweat it too much. I usually put stuff in, but for no other reason than just to do it. If I lost the piece, or broke it, or whatever, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.


To me, it is the same as getting all bent out of shape if the detail on the bottom of the hull of a tank is not just so, or if there are push-pin marks on the inside of a wing that no one is going to see, or open sponsons on a tank that has all the hatches closed. In the grand scheme of things, when you get done, the model will look awesome and it won't matter.

[Guest]

If I was to think about it, it would come down to how much time and enjoyment I was getting out of a kit.


Having messed my 1st 2 builds up here and there with beginners mistakes- making them take forever to build and having no ideal time for modelling most weeks I'd be weighing it up as I went.

[Guest]

Put them in. In model shows and comps, you generally stick in the parts, not seen or not. Those parts will be seen. Although only the rear of it will be seen, judges are incredibly knowledgeable, and it is inevitable that someone will instantly notice it. However, if you are building for enjoyment, and don't really care about those little things of accuracy, go for it, leave them out.


If the manufacturer bothered to make it, I am bothered enough to put it in


When I did my HB 262, I lost one of those parts, and I scratchbuilt it. In the end, it could still be seen, so it was worth it.


Really, it comes down to personal choice and how you really approach your hobby.


John

[Guest]

I feel I am cheating if I do not put in these unseen pieces.
But they are the pieces of the aircraft or military vehicle etc. When I build something I want to know as much as I can about it.


If it is an engine then I will always remember its size where it is located etc. Same with bomb bays. The interior of a Wellington


was fascinating to build as I understood how the thing was built and layed out internally. Also how the crew were seated in the aircraft.


When I read about a Wellington I can visualize it all.


Laurie

I really want to build a X section of a wellington or a 262, showing the geodetics or ribbing all scratched. That would look spectacular.


John

[stona]

Some parts really are not possible to see if you complete the model closed up. This leads to another conundrum! You can fit those parts and pose the model with the relevant hatches or panels open, allowing them to be seen. You will then find yourself scratch building other bits, wiring, hydraulics etc to make those previously never to be seen parts more realistic.....where does it end?


Cheers


Steve

[spanner570]

Just a note of clarification especially as it has been referred to.
I said I felt I was cheating. That referred to me alone and how I felt. It was not a general reference to others what so ever.


Laurie

Steady on Laurie. You are referring to my post. I never implied it was a 'General reference to others', I was just using cheating as a sort of humorous personal snipe at myself.


Sorry my innocent post has upset you. That was never my intention.

[Guest]

Steady as I can be Ron.


Although not actually referring to your post in any derogatory manner it did make me wonder.


I thought I may have been misunderstood and as you have stated given the impression that it


was a 'General reference to others',


My innocent post was only to clarify not to grumble. I save that for Pauline-- er no- her for me.o_O Thanks any way fro your kind reply.


Laurie

[Guest]

I think it depends on the model and the parts concerned. If the bits were hidden but somehow could be seen if you were small enough or had a camera that went round corners ( don't forget looking through windows) then I would fit them. If they are in a completely enclosed space I defenately wouldn't bother but I also consider how valuable the parts may be in the 'bit bin' for future projects. Imagine the value of a bomber radio set in a crash landing diorama for instance that couldn't be seen inside anyway.


I actually think a lot of hidden bits are included in kits to give you the option of having things opened up and visible. If you are certain that you want it closed up then don't bother. For instance what would be the point in building the new Airfix Typhoon with all the engine and gun bay details if you were going to display it in flight.

[stona]

Quite right. I do like to pose the odd aeroplane model in flight and taking the engine as an example, I only put in what I have to for attaching the exhausts and spinner. Sometimes that can be nothing except some card, sometimes the bare bones of the engine assembly. As I will then glue the panels closed it really would be a waste of time to do any more...and those odd bits can come in handy!


I do attach hard to see parts. On most WW2 model aircraft something like the rudder pedals would be one of many parts that would fall into this category. They can usually be seen by a determined person with a torch and at least one person has looked at some of my models in this way (which was absolutely fine by the way).


I do know that some take the "well, I know it's in there" school of construction's maxim to extreme lengths, but not me


Cheers


Steve

[takeslousyphotos]

Personally I'd consider that a waste of my efforts. I agree with Rick. good for the parts bin......... but that's just my opinion.

[Guest]

Some parts really are not possible to see if you complete the model closed up. This leads to another conundrum! You can fit those parts and pose the model with the relevant hatches or panels open, allowing them to be seen. You will then find yourself scratch building other bits, wiring, hydraulics etc to make those previously never to be seen parts more realistic.....where does it end?
Cheers


Steve

I know exactly what you mean. I did a 262 with a radio bay and 75% of it was hidden, with all wiring and piping all hidden. In the end, I thought, what a waste!


John

[PhilJ]

Does anyone have any reference to whether you can show these parts with access panels from outside? I might go the whole hog and have them open in that case.