Detail decisions?

[stona]

Does anyone have any reference to whether you can show these parts with access panels from outside? I might go the whole hog and have them open in that case.

Every piece of equipment had to be accessed for servicing and repair. Certainly equipment like radio installations, armament and would be accessible via panels which could be fairly easily removed or opened.


Most kits do represent these (not always terribly accurately), but they often need cutting out to open them.


Cheers


Steve

[Guest]

There is one way of doing this and I am saving photos of completed internal bits.


That is to have a photo viewer showing on each model the internal bits together with


views of the aircraft. this will include various bits as it is constructed.


Laurie

[PhilJ]

There is one way of doing this and I am saving photos of completed internal bits.
That is to have a photo viewer showing on each model the internal bits together with


views of the aircraft. this will include various bits as it is constructed.


Laurie

Yeah that's a good shout Laurie

[Guest]

Does anyone have any reference to whether you can show these parts with access panels from outside? I might go the whole hog and have them open in that case.

Yep. I do. Shoot me a message on which parts, and I will give you a few books and photos


Cheers, John

[PhilJ]

Yep. I do. Shoot me a message on which parts, and I will give you a few books and photos
Cheers, John

Cheers john I have sent you an email

[PhilJ]

Cheers john I have sent you an email

After a little bit more research I believe the parts to be electrical housing and compressed air for landing gears. It may be viewable from the gear wells so will have to dry fit and check I guess

[Guest]

Hi Phil my personal choice would be if it can't be sern, then it's a spares drawer item, unless I decide to do a cutaway version then obviously there would be a tremendous amount of scratch building needed.

[Guest]

After a little bit more research I believe the parts to be electrical housing and compressed air for landing gears. It may be viewable from the gear wells so will have to dry fit and check I guess

Yep. Will be visible


John

[rickoshea52]

Every piece of equipment had to be accessed for servicing and repair. Certainly equipment like radio installations, armament and would be accessible via panels which could be fairly easily removed or opened.
Most kits do represent these (not always terribly accurately), but they often need cutting out to open them.


Cheers


Steve

I agree with you to a point on this. Not all equipment needs to be easily accessible, and anyone who has worked on aircraft will tell you that not all parts that may require periodic removal are easy to reach. Certainly some components will require more regular access so will have an easily removed panel or fastener to accommodate this, e.g. Engine doors, replenishment points and weapons bays with a quick release fastener or latch.


Other components will have an access panel but would be fastened shut with something more substantial like screws or bolts. An example might be a panel that covers an avionics compartment or fuel tank access panel. Some components installed on larger aircraft don't need access panels because they can be removed from their fixtures and taken through the cabin to a crew door,e.g. A radio or radar box fitted to the crew position in an aircraft like a Lancaster, sea king or nimrod.

[stona]

Yep, I agree with that. On WW2 fighters electronic equipment was almost always fairly accessible via a hatch or door. We shouldn't forget that all this type of equipment, from the wireless, to direction finding or navigational aids and stuff like the early landing aids, radar altimeters etc were MUCH less reliable and considerably more fragile than they are today.


Engines were always easily accessible on all fighters as were the weapons and ammunition compartments (though any erk who skinned his knuckles cocking the Brownings in a Spitfire wing might disagree!)


The Germans were quite good at providing good access to systems involved in the control surfaces and even landing gear. They used some very clever fasteners, much superior to the dzuz type fasteners common on British aircraft.


Cheers


Steve

[rickoshea52]

Yep, I agree with that. On WW2 fighters electronic equipment was almost always fairly accessible via a hatch or door. We shouldn't forget that all this type of equipment, from the wireless, to direction finding or navigational aids and stuff like the early landing aids, radar altimeters etc were MUCH less reliable and considerably more fragile than they are today.
Engines were always easily accessible on all fighters as were the weapons and ammunition compartments (though any erk who skinned his knuckles cocking the Brownings in a Spitfire wing might disagree!)


The Germans were quite good at providing good access to systems involved in the control surfaces and even landing gear. They used some very clever fasteners, much superior to the dzuz type fasteners common on British aircraft.


Cheers


Steve

It's interesting to note that dzuz fasteners are still used on some RAF aircraft!

[stona]

Do they still shake themselves to bits and need drilling out ?


Cheers


Steve

[Guest]

That is very interesting detail Steve.


As I am going to build a Tornado GR4 I was looking at detail, by a fluke, this morning. Interested to note a


development in the RAF where they are using 3D modelling. Flaps and bits and pieces of aircraft which are lost


or need replacing are made using 3D on station. Apparently these are made for peanuts compared to factory


replacements. Also you do not produce them until you need them.


The saving so far using this, which is in early stages only used for these bits and pieces, has saved £300,000.


I would imagine this will probably be extended to cars and other items. Very interesting development of 3D which


on first look just looked like a computer media type fun thing.


Laurie

[rickoshea52]

Do they still shake themselves to bits and need drilling out ?
Cheers


Steve

I never had to drill one out. They buckle on the spring behind or round off. I don't know how common they are on fast junk but they are used on access panels for hydraulic replenishment points, drive shaft fairings and internal panels on Seakings and Puma's. On Nimrod's they are used again on internal panels but also on the ground conditioning panel, radome access panel and other small servicing panels.

[rickoshea52]

I still have a dzus key on my maglite!


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