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  • wonwinglo
    • Apr 2004
    • 5410

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    Pilotless Lockheed U-2 a possibility to extend human abilities in piloted flight.

    U.S. Air Force considers pilotless U-2

    The civilian chief of the U.S. Air Force says the retirement of the storied U-2 spy airplane is on hold until the Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft can be an effective substitute.

    The Air Force in late December 2005 got permission to retire the fleet of 33 U-2 "Dragonlady" spy airplanes by 2011. The retirement would save the Air Force about $1 billion, money that would be redirected into the Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicle built by Northrop Grumman.The problem is the Global Hawk, as currently configured, can't do everything for which combatant commanders have come to rely on the U-2.

    Right now the U-2, in fact, collects some material that the current Global Hawk can't. So the department have been asked to slow that down and prove to the combatant commanders what is intended to do that. I think it's going to take a little time but, frankly, it was it was a mission area that it felt like it would diminish a little bit faster than the combatant commanders thought it would diminish,the U-2 is a temperamental airplane that pilots fly at the edge of space to take wide area pictures of regions over which other aircraft cannot fly. But that extreme environment limits how long and how often pilots can fly the aircraft physically speaking.

    The Air Force is looking for ways to extend the time in the cockpit, or automate the U-2 as a useful remote aircraft with upgraded equipment.

    One of the things that has been found and the air force are finding is that they are actually constrained on the human side. When they put a U-2 up, the airplane can outlast the pilot, they are doing a lot of work to try to figure out how to use the pilot longer in that situation or to do away with the pilot when they want the observance or the reconnaissance to go longer than we had expected.

    According to briefing charts compiled by an airborne reconnaissance office in the Air Force, the Global Hawk does not provide the broad area synoptic imagery of the U-2 that is, a static shot of an enormous area, the dimensions of which are classified. Such imagery is used both for treaty

    verification and also in preparation for battles; a single shot can show how an entire enemy force is arrayed on the battlefield. Follow up shots can then track movements. Satellites do not provide those broad pictures but rather create less accurate mosaics through smaller area pictures taken

    over different times that must then be pieced together.

    The Air Force's original plans called for the Global Hawk the capabilities of which are still being developed to replace the U-2 in three stages, starting in Korea in 2007, then Cyprus and then the Middle East. The same charts showed a degradation in intelligence support to each of the supported combatant commanders if the switch were made. According to the charts, the broad area synoptic imagery, synthetic aperture radar, electro-optical and infrared capabilities of Global Hawk would fall short of the U-2 at least through 2012 in every area.

    The Global Hawk is being upgraded with a new, larger airframe to carry a heavier payload to bring it more in line with U-2 capabilities, including a signals intelligence and imagery suite. However, it will not be flight tested until 2007.

    The Congressional Research Service reported the U-2 fleet should be capable of flying until 2050 because of engine and cockpit upgrades done in the last 10 years.

    Right now the replacement to the U-2 is a little bit on hold until they can get the Global Hawk group to where the Global Hawk can be, if you will,an effective substitute. And they have to prove that to the combatant commanders,Congress prohibited the retirement of any U-2s in the fiscal year 2007 defense authorization report until the Defense Department certifies that support to the warfighter will not be degraded.

    That language was written into the bill in April, when the Pentagon reported to Congress that the Global Hawk was more than 25 percent over budget. In March, the Government Accountability Office reported that the program has experienced 166 percent cost growth over the projected costs in 2001. The Defense Department has spent more than $6 billion on the program since its inception a decade ago.
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    Howdy Barry,

    Ya' know, its kinda strange that here recently in the past few months, you will mention an aircraft that I have just purchased. My house is beginning to look like a small hobby shop so I guess it is inevitable that someone would mention something I purchase, but with you, it seems that you bring up a plane usually the day after I buy it.

    In this case, I purchased airfix's 1:72 scale Lockheed U2 A/C/D spyplane just yesterday.



    The owner of the hobby shop I frequent has decided that he is going to buy upa as many airfix products as he can....while he can. He says they are selling like "hotcakes".

    He just bought every color of Humbrol paint he didnt have which he said completes his inventory of the paints that Humbrol offered.

    Anyway, I just thought it was strange that you would bring up the U2 since I had just purchased it.

    In addition to the U2, I bought a few more kits. Testors 1:48th scale GEE BEE RACER, Minicrafts (gawd I hate dealing with them again) 1:48th scale Cessna 172 Skyhawk, and Hobby crafts 1:48th scale P-26 Peashooter.

    Have a good day,

    Greg

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    • wonwinglo
      • Apr 2004
      • 5410

      #3
      Uncanny Greg,I cannot explain this ? out of all the aircraft types you buy the Lockheed U-2.

      I think that you have more Airfix stock in the States than we have in the UK ?

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      • Guest

        #4
        Howdy Barry,

        Well, I have always thought that the best way to get someone to buy something....even things they dont need, is to tell them that "there will be no more after what is in stock is gone".

        Maybe thats what Humbrol/heller/airfix should have done BEFORE they went into recievership, cause now, knowing that there is the possibility that there may not be anymore when the current supply is gone, I find myself looking for Airfix kits when I go shopping for models. (This aint gonna help Heller out any, cause I am kinda "miffed" at them and try to avoid theirs. I know they are one and the same, but I am a crazy "Yank" remember?)

        Had Humbrol/Heller/Airfix made it public that there was the chance that there would be no more models from them ever, I think they could have increased sales by a wide margin.

        Anyway, like I said, I now find myself looking for old airfix kits whenever I can find them. The Hobby store owner told me that this U2 A/C/D model was found in one of his suppliers warehouses all alone, so he bought it and put it on his shelf.

        I am currently building the minicraft (I hate them as much as I do Heller) Cessna 172. I an not using the decals provided with the kit though, I am going to make this a model of the USAF T 41 forward spotting aircraft/trainer as seen below:



        I had designed a Card model of this particular aircraft and even started to assemble it, but lost interest since I had already built one Cessna 172 skyhawk earlier in paper.

        However this one is coming along nicely and so far, no missing pieces (my main complaint with minicraft).

        Anyway, have a good day,

        Greg

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        • wonwinglo
          • Apr 2004
          • 5410

          #5
          Greg,I built this kit a while back! and painted her in a fictional R.A.F College colourscheme,the one that you are going to do looks equally smart.

          Someone flys one in the UK in a similar scheme,very nice.

          Yours looks to be all pristine white with black anti-dazzle panel,notice that it wears both civil and military serial number.

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          • Guest

            #6
            Howdy again Barry,

            Well the above photo is not of "my" model, it is the real plane, I am just using it for refference purposes. Matter of fact, right after I typed my last posting in this thread, I began work on making the decals for this model.

            I have found many other images of the cessna online by searching google for "Cessna T 41".



            Anyway, if I complete it this evening I will post photos, if not, it will probably be tomorrow before I finish it.

            Have a good day,

            Greg

            PS: I am going to start on the U2 soon, I am just trying to decide what color scheme I want to do it in....nasa white? or two tone like the first photo above or all black like the regular "dragonlady".

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            • wonwinglo
              • Apr 2004
              • 5410

              #7
              Wow you are speedy Greg ! but your workmanship is excellent as paintwork,look forward to seeing your military Cessna 172.

              For the Lockheed U.2 spooky black overall would look really good,they do some excellent auto black sprays these days which cover really well as you know.

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