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  • spanner570
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    • May 2009
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    #16
    Guess what?....I've just had a nose bleed looking at these pictures! lol

    From Steve's latest port side image, it looks to me as though the whole of this side is completed and only the black on the stbd. side is done.....

    Anyone got a tissue?

    Ron

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    • stona
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      • Jul 2008
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      #17
      The model will be posed in flight on the point of landing on its final flight in Luftwaffe hands on 8/May/45, VE day. It was flown in by Lt.Heinrich Haffner of I.KG/51,not a KG(J)6 pilot,which just raises more questions. It was surrendered on this day.

      The fuselage band was certainly painted by the Germans rather than any American hands,after the aircraft was delivered to III./KG(J)6. I don't have an exact date for that delivery but it was probably around 25/26 April,only a couple of weeks before the surrender. This certainly allows the possibility that they simply didn't finish painting the band.

      Right then I'm off to butcher some of the control surfaces which aren't designed for the configuration I have in mind

      Cheers

      Steve

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      • Guest

        #18
        I am a trained photgraphic interpreter - yes, really! My solution is...do a different aeroplane :thumbs-up:

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        • Guest

          #19
          C'mon guys, clearly you're all just not looking hard enough.

          You can see the chap in the pic is in the process of painting the starboard side, he obviously just stopped to pose for the photo op!

          :P

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          • stona
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            • Jul 2008
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            #20
            Very good m1ks! I knew there was a simple explanation somewhere! It's so obvious now

            Cheers

            Steve

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            • stona
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              • Jul 2008
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              #21
              I was flicking through a well known reference to find a copy of Messerschmitt's official July 1944 camouflage scheme for the Me262 as I don't blindly trust the kit instructions with which I've already had a few disagreements and found another image of my victim.

              Interestingly it shows a virtually solid dark band. This IS the same photograph and no matter how I play with the version I posted earlier it I can't make it look like that. It has definitely been "doctored". Worryingly it is in a book of high repute "Luftwaffe Colours 1935-1945" by Michael Ullmann (p.114)

              It just goes to show that you can never have enough references!

              Cheers

              Steve

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                #22
                hey there

                from what ive read about the luftwaffe they hated any planes looking the same as each other as they would change the design in some sort of minor way maybe this will help or just confuse you even more lol

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                • Guest

                  #23
                  It just goes to show that you can never have enough references!

                  Cheers

                  Steve

                  Not only the black band Steve I reckon the swastika has also been doctored it looks two dimensional instead of three.

                  Looking further I think there is a lot more which has been retouched.

                  Laurie

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                  • stona
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                    • Jul 2008
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                    #24
                    One thing I am sure of is that the original version I posted (from the O'Connell book) is a much more reliable guide to how this aeroplane looked.

                    I think the swastika has been doctored to make the white border,which was supposedly discontinued by now,stand out to illustrate a point in the text.

                    I'll have to make my mind up as I'm nearing the end of the construction phase and getting close to actually applying some paint!

                    Cheers

                    Steve

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                      #25
                      In this instance I feel you must go with your experience and instinct, that way at least you will be safe in the knowledge that it's probably wrong :smile1:

                      PS. That's what I normally do anyway :shoot:

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                      • stona
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                        • Jul 2008
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by \
                        In this instance I feel you must go with your experience and instinct, that way at least you will be safe in the knowledge that it's probably wrong :smile1:PS. That's what I normally do anyway :shoot:
                        That's right!

                        I've decided the Ullmann photo has been doctored to give the impression of the complete red/black checked band that SHOULD be there as opposed to looking closely at the original image which clearly shows that it isn't. A case of someone seeing what he wants to see? I wonder.

                        Cheers

                        Steve

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                        • Guest

                          #27
                          O dear my problems seem so minor worrying about the colour of the Wellington bomb bay roof & the floor above it.

                          Amazing the lengths we go to especially as no body will see the colours I decide on once it is finished.

                          Laurie

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                          • stona
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                            • Jul 2008
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by \
                            Amazing the lengths we go to especially as no body will see the colours I decide on once it is finished.

                            Laurie
                            Also very true. My fuselage band will at least be a prominent feature. The fact that it was (as far as I'm concerned ) never completed just helps to tell the story,not just of this Me262 but the Luftwaffe as a whole at the end of the war.

                            I'm having a bit of fun with the fit of the canopy. That's definitely not due to something I've done wrong earlier!

                            Cheers

                            Steve

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                            • stona
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                              • Jul 2008
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                              #29
                              It's a bit shiney under a first coat of Klear but I did finally decide to do an incomplete band as you can see.

                              Thanks for everyone's input,many heads are always better than one!

                              I might get this one finished at the week end and will post some 'completed' piccies

                              Cheers

                              Steve

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                                #30
                                Looking the business Steve..........:terrific:

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