"Which way did they go, tracker?"

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Thanks for that Ian. To be honest, my second attempt at painting the horse was all white, but it looked completely out of place on the dio. and sort of took over.....It was only then I had a look on 'tinternet for some inspiration.

Pity someone didn't post that they thought the original colour was awful...which it was!lol

Ron

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Elaine says .... quote ...."oooh well done that man"

Bloomin' great paint job mate, bridle bang on for just dossing about tracking.

"Impressive" just don't cover it mate ....

Looks like Germolino (or Goyathlay ("yawning one") as he should be correctly addressed) has the right sort of head-dress for a warrior of the period and culture, the feathers were bald eagle feathers, they only plucked three or four feathers from the bird then let it go as they were considered sacred (the feathers themselves considered to have special powers)

In and around this time they dressed in "white-mans" (forgive the term) clothes in an attempt to be accepted into the changing society of their native land....... geek mode off !

[spanner570]

Thanks Colin and thanks also to Elaine....No more Ron's Geronimo 'Germalino', but I'll call him by his correct name.....

This is what I like about this modelling lark, you start a build - be it a tank, aircraft or a North American Indian and in comes help and advise to keep the builder on course.....Great stuff!

Ok., so Goyathlay is plucking feathers from the Bald Eagle and we all know what that bird looks like. Judging from the size of his head gear, the feathers could be from the wings. Would they be just brown in colour or does the bird have large white feathers under the wings, making it a bit more colourful for the wearer?.....Most t.v. fillums show white...and they are always correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over to you geek!!

Ron

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If the feathers were primaries ,which i imagine they would be as they are the longest feathers on an eagle, then they would be brown, only the head was white, cheers tony

[spanner570]

If the feathers were primaries ,which i imagine they would be as they are the longest feathers on an eagle, then they would be brown, only the head was white, cheers tony

That was my thinking too, mucker........I just wondered whether there might be a few sort of off white, beigey coloured feathers underneath so they might show up on the head dress a bit better than brown.....

Cheers mate,

Ron

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Looking at some pics on google of Geronimo , on some of them hes got a headdress with brown feathers . These feathers are mainly brown with a slightly lighter bit right at the thick end of the quill. The only other pics i could find were of Charles Haughtrey as ' Big Heap ' in Carry on Cowboy!!! OOH Hello! LOL!!

[spanner570]

Ha, nice one...Charles Haughtrey!

Thanks for the info Tony...Brown it is.

Cheers,

Ron

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yup they were normally brown for everyday use. some times they'd dye the ends a darker chocolate or red colour to designate elders etc.

white feathers were for the full headdress but contrary to most films & pictures they were rarely used everyday, they were for important ceremonies and actually mainly worn by the shaman in most tribes.

you could pop a few short white feathers next to the head band to break it up a bit ... but this was a trait mainly used by the blackfoot and crow.

[Gern]

No problems, nice to be of some positive historical (if a little geeky) help for a change instead of just offering my random thoughts and ideas.

You can't be a rivet counter for a horse - they don't have any! :lol

Gern

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You can't be a rivet counter for a horse - they don't have any! :lolGern

Dave, for that remark you owe Colin some Eccles cakes..............but as they would be too expensive to post to Scotland, bring them to Cosford and we'll eat his share at the picnic table by the cafe!

Colin, thanks for confirming the feathers question and the extra info.

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Great work Ron, Is coming together really well.

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A Friesian horse, looks so much better than the Aberdeen Angus mate, Wheres that woman with the ice creams, she hasnt been round yet and im out of Kiora 'Umbong'

Nice recovery old pal.

Andy

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..but as they would be too expensive to post to Scotland, bring them to Cosford and we'll eat his share at the picnic table by the cafe!.

Sooooooooooo ....... technically i lose out then ...... hmmmm ........ gutted

I'm now trying to justify 570 mile round trip and £110 of fuel just to claim my eccles cake

..Colin, thanks for confirming the feathers question and the extra info.

No problems, if i get too boring just tell me to shut me pie-hole

[spanner570]

Here's a diddy update for you...

I've painted Goyathlay. I had thoughts of snipping off his pig tails, but they stayed in the end. I think I might have over done his swarthy complexion a tad...The Apache did live in hot climates mind - I think. Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Ron

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Top job Auld yin , very well painted.

They occupied the mountains and plains of Arizona for the most part and were particularly dark/bronzed skinned so he looks about right if you ask me.

Most Apache men often cut their hair back to shoulder length, although this wasn't the case for the plains people who let it grow and braided it to keep it manageable ... his hair is about right to period photos.

I'm liking this build ... i'm liking it a lot

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As an extra and something i meant to bore you with, sorry, comment on ... i like the way the horses tail is tied up, the apache warriors used to do this when they were preparing for a battle, some times they tied a rabbits tail to the horses tail for good luck so if you wanted you could just glue a bit of white fluff on the tail for total authenticity.