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  • Dulux
    • Jan 2022
    • 73

    #16
    Originally posted by Dave Ward
    I always use moisture resistant MDF, but I always give it a coat of dilute PVA, before doing anything - it may be overkill, but dampness sinking into MDF causes warping & the clay not sticking very well!
    What sort of clay are you using? I use DAS air drying clay - applying only thin coats & allowing to really dry in a cool dry place before going onto the next coat, this should prevent cracking when drying. If the base isn't rigid enough, then it will flex & the clay will fall off.................... ( bitter experience ). To minimise use of clay, you can make cores out of thin wood, or plasticard, cut to shape, then the clay applied over the top.
    If you're a picture framer, then edging the MDF base with reversed beading should be a doddle - it gives a neat edge ( as you probably already know )
    Dave
    Hi Dave, yes using DAS. Hobbycraft are offering a 3 for 1 price at the moment if anyone is interested

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    • GerryW
      • Feb 2021
      • 1757

      #17
      Must admit that for my 2nd dio (I'm not an expert either!), I bought a few bottles of poster paints for the ground (red, yellow, blue, black and white - mixing gave me the full range of colours) can be mixed with PVA and water for various areas, most importantly - it's cheap and cheerful!
      The suggestion of making sure that the base size is big enough is a good one - you soon run out of space!

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      • AlanG
        • Dec 2008
        • 6296

        #18
        Originally posted by GerryW
        you soon run out of space!
        Isn't that the truth! That is why planning is essential. I've found that out the hard way lol

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        • Panzerwrecker
          • Mar 2022
          • 578
          • Los
          • Wales, UK

          #19
          Originally posted by Dulux
          Hi Guys,
          First of all I’d like to introduce myself. I’m an airbrush fine artist and self confessed “Normandy
          campaign” nut. I find the dioramas that I’ve seen absolutely staggering and wanted to create a scene from the Normandy Bocage. I’ve already made a Panther in 1/35 which I’m about to paint and weather. I wanted to create a scene where the Panther was amongst the Bocage in a field with accompanying troops. With this in mind I wanted to know the best products to buy such as grass, mud effects, foliage etc. Luckily the airbrush side of things should be straightforward as I’ve been airbrushing now for over 10 years.
          Thankyou for your comments
          I too am a bit of a Normandy campaign nut and have built a few small vignettes to date. Bocage terrain is a tricky one as there is so much vegitation required. This is a nice example by Hiroyuki Kimura on FB https://www.facebook.com/plamodel1/p...10701935636984

          MK35 Editions are a good source of pre-made Normandy dio materials. Sold via FOG models they also sell some great diorama models and materials. I have many of their plaster buildings yet to incorporate into vignettes. https://fieldsofglorymodels.co.uk/co...mk35-editions#

          As for modelling materials Sculptamold is a very accessible product for creating groundwork. It is essentially an expensive papier Mache. It does however come in dry form, so you add your own water mix depending on what you are creating. As already mentioned, adding some cheap artists acrylics to the mix will avoid the white spot syndrome of having to paint it after laying it down. Working in thin layers works best to speed up drying but is very flexible.

          Das Clay is another quality product that you can use for creating groundworks.

          You are in the right trade when it comes to base material as picture frames make excellent bases. I prefer the deep box frames myself as you get more inner surface area to attach the sides to if you like to raise the ground level, which always looks better presented IMO.

          Balsa wood is also relatively cheap and easy to work with material. Great for making accessories framing vignettes and dioramas. Plastic card comes in all sorts of wonderful shapes and sizes. From thin sheets to complex profiles, it is a fantastic material to work with although decent ‘choppers’ to cut the card true and straight are expensive.

          As far as vegetation goes, plenty of natural material can be utilised and preserving plants with Glycerine is a great way of keeping costs down. Just be aware of the scale effects when using them.

          There are many manmade vegetation and fauna products for sale. Check out any quality model retailer’s diorama section for what is on offer. Grass mats are great. Static grass the railroad modellers favourite works well, although to avoid the flat appearance of laying it by hand a flocking machine of some sort will be required to give the grass a more natural appearance.

          Styrofoam is a quality product that can be sculpted and manipulated to create buildings and there are many YouTube vids on the tinterweb that show what a versatile modelling material it is. In the right hands there are many amazing creations out there. Foamboard is another product that many use to frame scale buildings

          As for adhesives PVA glue for pretty much most things, Gator Glue makes some great products and UHU working best Styrofoam product.

          Many of the mainstream modelling brands offer terrain surfacing products like mud and water etc.

          Since I started creating more and more scenes for my models you get to find the inspirational modellers out there of whom some solely build dioramas. Take Per Olav Lund for instance. The guy is a miniature master https://www.facebook.com/per.o.lund

          There is a guy who I found on Facebook who makes the most realistic 1/72 & 1/35 scale trees I have ever seen. They are not cheap but then he hand builds every one he makes. If you don’t have the time or inclination to make a tree yourself, check this guy out http://drzewamodelarstwo.pl/en/

          Finally, if you haven’t already heard of him, please watch this modelling legend work his magic and tell me you’re not impressed. Apparently, it was his first attempt

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          • Dulux
            • Jan 2022
            • 73

            #20
            Originally posted by Panzerwrecker
            I too am a bit of a Normandy campaign nut and have built a few small vignettes to date. Bocage terrain is a tricky one as there is so much vegitation required. This is a nice example by Hiroyuki Kimura on FB https://www.facebook.com/plamodel1/p...10701935636984

            MK35 Editions are a good source of pre-made Normandy dio materials. Sold via FOG models they also sell some great diorama models and materials. I have many of their plaster buildings yet to incorporate into vignettes. https://fieldsofglorymodels.co.uk/co...mk35-editions#

            As for modelling materials Sculptamold is a very accessible product for creating groundwork. It is essentially an expensive papier Mache. It does however come in dry form, so you add your own water mix depending on what you are creating. As already mentioned, adding some cheap artists acrylics to the mix will avoid the white spot syndrome of having to paint it after laying it down. Working in thin layers works best to speed up drying but is very flexible.

            Das Clay is another quality product that you can use for creating groundworks.

            You are in the right trade when it comes to base material as picture frames make excellent bases. I prefer the deep box frames myself as you get more inner surface area to attach the sides to if you like to raise the ground level, which always looks better presented IMO.

            Balsa wood is also relatively cheap and easy to work with material. Great for making accessories framing vignettes and dioramas. Plastic card comes in all sorts of wonderful shapes and sizes. From thin sheets to complex profiles, it is a fantastic material to work with although decent ‘choppers’ to cut the card true and straight are expensive.

            As far as vegetation goes, plenty of natural material can be utilised and preserving plants with Glycerine is a great way of keeping costs down. Just be aware of the scale effects when using them.

            There are many manmade vegetation and fauna products for sale. Check out any quality model retailer’s diorama section for what is on offer. Grass mats are great. Static grass the railroad modellers favourite works well, although to avoid the flat appearance of laying it by hand a flocking machine of some sort will be required to give the grass a more natural appearance.

            Styrofoam is a quality product that can be sculpted and manipulated to create buildings and there are many YouTube vids on the tinterweb that show what a versatile modelling material it is. In the right hands there are many amazing creations out there. Foamboard is another product that many use to frame scale buildings

            As for adhesives PVA glue for pretty much most things, Gator Glue makes some great products and UHU working best Styrofoam product.

            Many of the mainstream modelling brands offer terrain surfacing products like mud and water etc.

            Since I started creating more and more scenes for my models you get to find the inspirational modellers out there of whom some solely build dioramas. Take Per Olav Lund for instance. The guy is a miniature master https://www.facebook.com/per.o.lund

            There is a guy who I found on Facebook who makes the most realistic 1/72 & 1/35 scale trees I have ever seen. They are not cheap but then he hand builds every one he makes. If you don’t have the time or inclination to make a tree yourself, check this guy out http://drzewamodelarstwo.pl/en/

            Finally, if you haven’t already heard of him, please watch this modelling legend work his magic and tell me you’re not impressed. Apparently, it was his first attempt
            A remarkable reply, thankyou.

            I have recently acquired some Sculptamould which is actually difficult to purchase at the moment. I have yet to use it but I do have plenty of Styrofoam, I bought the Proxxon table hot wire cutter to help. There are some incredible resin ready made buildings out there but i'd like to try and build my own from scratch, the same applies to trees. 4D Modelshop offer a stunning "tree building" service as I can testify when I visited a few weeks ago.

            I hadn't seen Per Olav's work before, incredible detail

            Martin from Nightshift is an inspiration, the detail he goes into is insane. His "Cats and Dogs" Jagdpanther Normandy Dio is something I aspire to create. I'm actually a patreon

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            • Panzerwrecker
              • Mar 2022
              • 578
              • Los
              • Wales, UK

              #21
              Originally posted by Dulux
              A remarkable reply, thankyou.

              I have recently acquired some Sculptamould which is actually difficult to purchase at the moment. I have yet to use it but I do have plenty of Styrofoam, I bought the Proxxon table hot wire cutter to help. There are some incredible resin ready made buildings out there but i'd like to try and build my own from scratch, the same applies to trees. 4D Modelshop offer a stunning "tree building" service as I can testify when I visited a few weeks ago.

              I hadn't seen Per Olav's work before, incredible detail

              Martin from Nightshift is an inspiration, the detail he goes into is insane. His "Cats and Dogs" Jagdpanther Normandy Dio is something I aspire to create. I'm actually a patreon
              Cheers Steven

              The hot wire cutter is a good investmest if you are planning to regularily use it. Would love one myself but simply dont have the space in the hobby cave:rolling:

              Yes, I love that JP piece too. His vid on the figure painting is inspiring.

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              • Dulux
                • Jan 2022
                • 73

                #22
                Originally posted by Panzerwrecker
                Cheers Steven

                The hot wire cutter is a good investmest if you are planning to regularily use it. Would love one myself but simply dont have the space in the hobby cave:rolling:

                Yes, I love that JP piece too. His vid on the figure painting is inspiring.
                The thing is with Martin is that he tries something for the first time and it looks incredible. Most annoying

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                • rtfoe
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 9073

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Dulux
                  The thing is with Martin is that he tries something for the first time and it looks incredible. Most annoying
                  Yes the techniques he uses reaffirms what I've been doing all these years has been the same way but obviously he does it better.:smiling2: so if you can follow him then you're on the right track. Everything needs to be painted even foliage that look natural to blend in.
                  Missed meeting Olav as he was invited the previous year to Shizuoka and our team went the next.:tired:

                  Cheers,
                  Richard

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                  • AlanG
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 6296

                    #24
                    As others have said, don't forget about things that can be found out and about around you. My Normandy bocage dio has used locally sourced mosses, lichen, twigs and mud from my garden. I found it has saved my loads of money for just a little effort in getting it.

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                    • Dulux
                      • Jan 2022
                      • 73

                      #25
                      Originally posted by AlanG
                      As others have said, don't forget about things that can be found out and about around you. My Normandy bocage dio has used locally sourced mosses, lichen, twigs and mud from my garden. I found it has saved my loads of money for just a little effort in getting it.
                      Have you finished this yet Alan?

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                      • AlanG
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 6296

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Dulux
                        Have you finished this yet Alan?
                        No it's still works in progress. Can be found here https://www.scale-models.co.uk/threa...diorama.38328/

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                        • Dulux
                          • Jan 2022
                          • 73

                          #27
                          Originally posted by AlanG
                          No it's still works in progress. Can be found here https://www.scale-models.co.uk/threa...diorama.38328/
                          Looks awesome, did you use an applicator for the grass?

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                          • AlanG
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 6296

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Dulux
                            Looks awesome, did you use an applicator for the grass?
                            Yeah a really cheap one found on evilbay. I think they make them out of fly zappers. Had it for years and it's never failed me

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