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  • JR
    • May 2015
    • 18273

    #16
    Evening, or afternoon , in Simon's case Good night:upside:
    Dave.....Thank you I will need it.
    Steve..... Hope you enjoy the banter.
    Tim......... Keep you eye on Jones please.
    Paul ........ I may well call on you for tips on mud !!
    Ian............ Welcome, sit tight , because elements of Rowdy bunch are in.:smiling4: they will have a ** next to them
    Jim......... Hi mate , thanks for coming. NO FIRE , that's a promise.
    Fernando .... Hi mate, yes , pulling out, more likely, and not a towed gun. !
    Allen.......If I take my time you may well start yours before me, hopefully :nerd:
    Peter...... I don;t really know why he was entrusted with such an important job. If I can get the cab to fit I shall be happy. Say nothing of the tracks !
    Si..............** Hi mate, stand them down, you might like to tip off Alun and his crew though. :anguished:
    Greg...... Thank you, you can run the bar if you want with Allen.
    Simon ...... Thanks for the link, very good photos .

    Right as the first row is full a short history lesson. This will show why the Tractor was some important to the Russians and the Germans .

    After the 1917 Revolution , the country began to take a new direction lead as we know by Lenin and Stalin.
    The economy had been based on agriculture and the "Party " leaders wanted one to include heavy industry and mass production. The mass production also included food, and the State farms need machinery to help the increased output. Now the Russians had always faced unfavorable conditions for farming, unlike the West. Large areas of Russia were tracts of deep mud in Spring and Autumn along with the boggy ground in areas of Siberia. With this in mind they turned to the Tyagatshi or tractor.

    The Russian Imperial army had in fact used tractors as far back as 1877 when British Aveling- Porter were used to tow artillery in the Russian Turkish conflicts, by the end of the First WW they had over 1500 imported tractors. One of the most used was the Holt, later to become the world famous Caterpillar. The Americans had to help the Russians ! they supplied the engineers and the plant needed to produce the tractors. By the turn of 1932 production was underway in a large way.

    If your still awake at this point I shall bore you some more .:smiling3::smiling3:

    When the Germans attacked Russia with operation Barbarossa in 1941 the Blitzkrieg caught the Russian out, trapped by the pincer movements large numbers of the Tygatshi fell into German hands. Over 65 % of all the chTZS -65 tractors were lost, either blown apart or deserted by the crews. Travelling at a sedately 6.95 Kms per hr they had been over run, many towing giant artillery pieces.
    Due to this all the remaining agricultural tractors were pressed in to service with army, in fact the Russian lost over 50 % of all their tractors at the beginning of the war ! Resulting in all tractor factories turning to built tanks.

    Meanwhile the Germans pressed on using the captured equipment to help move in the mud and along the unmade roads. There are more photos of the ch 65 by the Germans than by the Russians.


    I shall post some more as we proceed with the build.

    A few more exciting stats for those not yet asleep

    Engine 18 .5 ltr 4 cy Diesel out put 65 hp
    Top speed ....... 6 .95 Km per hr
    range 75 km
    weight 11 .2 ton
    length 4 .086 mtrs
    width 2.416 mtrs
    and a high of 2.152 to the top of the rad.
    One last thing it had a 4 cly 4 stroke 20 hp engine to start it. !
    Right leaving you to digest I'm off for my tea.
    QUESTIONS MAY BE ASKED AT ANY POINT DURING THE BUILD ! by me about this engine not the assembled throng.
    Thanks for looking in expecting to see some plastic :tongue-out3:, I promise as a start has been made, and some photos will appear in due course. Mr Dewire will be round with the ices shortly .
    John.

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    • BigGreg
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      • Apr 2018
      • 2182

      #17
      I love this way of doing models.... learning from the hobby

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      • Steve Jones
        • Apr 2018
        • 6615

        #18
        Blimey! can you be any quicker off the mark?? Sadly all the seats are taken so I have a step ladder and notebook and I will sit quietly at the back (Yeah no chance mate:smiling5

        GOOD LUCK!!!!

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        • Fernando N
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          • Apr 2018
          • 2448

          #19
          Thanks for the info John.:thumb2:

          Fernando

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          • JR
            • May 2015
            • 18273

            #20
            Evening
            Greg...... Thanks, I have to thank Steve for giving the idea, as you know he always starts with a interesting intro.
            Steve. **..... Talk of the ,:tongue-out3: hi mate , yes straight in , I can see where I want this to go diorama wise and at my age I can't afford to hang about:smiling::smiling2: . You will sit what !!!!!!! :surprised:
            Fernando....... Hope it wasn't too long, just wanted to explain how important this vehicle was to both sides during this conflict.

            I made a start as I said , only gluing the small rollers together , to night I continued and built up the first assy with the idlers now complete and glued in to the outer and inner plates . At one point there were 10 very small approximately 2 mm wide half round sections of plastic to glue in sets of 5 to 2 bars. 2 of the lugs shot into the air, only to reappear on the bench after I had spent 10 minutes on my hands and knees fighting with the plastic mat monster. Closely related to the carpet monster. I swear they were not on the bench before I started to crawl around .

            Will post some photos tomorrow afternoon after I return from gardening .
            thanks for looking in .

            John .

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            • Lee Drennen
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 7711

              #21
              Tracks resin and Conversion now that’s my kinda build. Great pick John
              Steve can I stand on your shoulders to see Mr Races build?

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              • JR
                • May 2015
                • 18273

                #22
                Morning Lee. .
                Let the fun begin ....might not be my kind of build by the middle of the tracks ! Let alone the resin:flushed:. Bring on the mud and water !Thats the part I'm looking fwd to.

                John

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                • Marty
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                  • Apr 2018
                  • 71

                  #23
                  Mornin John--nice to see u dive straight into another build--look forward to seeing the story of the dio developing---lots of luvly mud ????--im with Allen as I have just recently got this one for the stash --I think its ur influence on all things green!!!---and in fact only received the LZ engine set last week so ill be holding onto Steves ladder at the back trying to take notes....cheers, Marty

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                  • minitnkr
                    Charter Rabble member
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 7540
                    • Paul
                    • Dayton, OH USA

                    #24
                    This Russian thing may be contagious. I recently obtained a T-62 from Petner's Panzers in 1/87. PaulE

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                    • Lee Drennen
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 7711

                      #25
                      Originally posted by John Race
                      Morning Lee. .
                      Let the fun begin ....might not be my kind of build by the middle of the tracks ! Let alone the resin:flushed:. Bring on the mud and water !Thats the part I'm looking fwd to.

                      John
                      John
                      I’m sure you will exacute this build just fine with your fine modeling skills. I’ll be watching somewhere in the crowd. Have fun. Lee

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                      • Jim R
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                        • Apr 2018
                        • 15703
                        • Jim
                        • Shropshire

                        #26
                        Hi John
                        Most interesting. What gets me is a "an 18.5lt engine and only 65hp" - maybe Russian horses are stronger than weedy western ones :smiling5:
                        Jim

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                        • JR
                          • May 2015
                          • 18273

                          #27
                          A good evening from Race Towers.
                          A few thank you's are some progress photos.
                          Marty.........Yes mud, common stuff in Russia, and some water. Hope that sounds good.Glad to read you also have the engine set. Its a shame that Trumpeter didn't bother with the engine, must have been the additional cost, as most Russian Tractors ran with them off.
                          Paul.....Welcome, you as well :thumb2:, well l'm sure you will do a cracking job, a dio maybe ?
                          Lee.... Cheers, glad you have that feeling:upside:
                          Jim......Yes I though it would have been quite high, but looking at the other models of tractors , for example the stz3 , its engine size and output were 7.46 ltr Gasoline engine with the output rated at 52 . hp @1250 rpm.Going back to the St 65 the out put of 65bp was @ 850 rpm..

                          A few shots of progress.
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                          Taking suggestion from PMMS I carefully cleaned the outer edge of A9. It was so tight, remember to fit it the correct way round, with tha lip at the back.

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                          To the right can be seen the inner rollers to the side frames.

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                          Now fitted into the two part frame, very clean moldings with the slightest flash, you only notice it when lugs won't accept the part.

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                          That angled section has two pin sat the top right to locate, yes I can see the molding indents, but as this is going to be underneath I can't see ant point in filling them. The lower joining point in the center with the three rivets , I had to remove the pin, either the frame was slightly out or I was wrong , any way once glued it seemed ok.
                          That metal block is keeping a roller housing square while it dries. ( above, with the round section. top left )

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                          Hard to focus but the brass bit is pe, this is the outer-face of the idler wheel mounting. Two per side.

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                          About 2 / 3 mm long, and prone to taking flight at the first chance. This is what I spent some time crawling around the floor looking for it only to find it still on the bench !:angry: These had to be glued to the strip as shown below.
                          The tape held the strip still , just hope they all remain in place :sad:

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                          Well that's as far as I have got.
                          Hope you found it interesting, more to follow in the next few days.
                          Thanks for looking in, comments most welcome.

                          John .
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                          • Steve Jones
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 6615

                            #28
                            Nice to see you are off and running. Looks like you have some nice injector marks to keep you busy.:angry:
                            I spent ages looking for a part once only to find it was on my shirt front:smiling5:
                            Keep up the great work

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                            • JR
                              • May 2015
                              • 18273

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Steve Jones
                              Nice to see you are off and running. Looks like you have some nice injector marks to keep you busy.:angry:
                              I spent ages looking for a part once only to find it was on my shirt front:smiling5:
                              Keep up the great work
                              HI Steve , as I said they are underneath, so whats the point , once they get covered in mud ! Yes pesky bits once had a piece of PE stuck to my thumb while I spend several minutes worrying where it has gone to.:hugging-face:
                              John.

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                              • Dave Ward
                                SMF Supporters
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 10549

                                #30
                                Oh yes, some parts do weird things to beat the carpet monster. I once dropped a return roller, spent ages crawling around on the floor - had to give up and scratch a replacement. I found the missing part in my slipper, as I turned in for the night!
                                Dave

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