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  • TIM FORSTER
    • Apr 2018
    • 283
    • TIM
    • LONDON, UK

    #46
    Originally posted by Jakko
    Not to mention that your diorama won’t look like everybody else’s who bought the same house kit.

    What you’ve got there certainly looks convincing to me, though I admit I’m not really up to speed on the architecture of the Ardennes :smiling3:
    Hey Jacko, you think I was 'up to speed' until a few weeks ago?

    That's just part of the fun of this hobby - there's so much more to learn!

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    • TIM FORSTER
      • Apr 2018
      • 283
      • TIM
      • LONDON, UK

      #47
      Originally posted by rtfoe
      Hi Tim,
      Looks like you're not the only one noticing that the MiniArt buildings are kind of large. I could though use their windows for city buildings.
      Your preparation is very good especially the usage of templates for the cutting of the foam as the basic structure for the building. A spare figure is always a great tool guide for scale. I really like the slope of the landscape you're doing.

      Cheers,
      Wabble
      Thanks Richard / Wabble.

      Yes, it's funny how Miniart seem to have gone for such a large format. Like trees, buildings never really have to be true to scale to look right in model form - after all, we tend to look up at them anyway. I reckon there's a gap in the market for an assortment of smaller doors and windows that would be really useful for diorama builders.

      You will see how useful the card templates have become in my next few posts...

      And yes, I love a slope!

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      • TIM FORSTER
        • Apr 2018
        • 283
        • TIM
        • LONDON, UK

        #48
        Materials…

        The last time I made buildings (on my ‘Liberation, Italy 1944’ dio) was also my first attempt since my teens - way, wayback in the 1980s. My older self had used thin plywood, laboriously cut to shape with a fret saw, then covered in thin plaster.

        When I made my Italian church (a few less years ago) I was glad to have discovered foam board - sheets of foam covered in layers of thin card. This was easy to cut and, once built into a structure, fairly rigid. It could then be covered in Das clay for that traditional weathered plaster look. One of the drawbacks, however, was the fact that any relief stone work then had to be carved back into the surface.

        Here are a few reminders:

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        This was also pretty labour intensive!

        Of course, things have changed… even in the last few years. We now have high density foam… otherwise known as styrofoam… or XPS foam.

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        These came off ebay from a seller called MTG Terrain for £24.95.

        Mixed Box of 8 pieces , all 300mm x 200mm (Grey/Charcoal XPS) in the following quantities:
        • 3 x 6mm
        • 2 x 10mm
        • 1 x 20mm
        • 1 x 30mm
        • 1 x 50mm


        I reckon there's enough here to last me for several buildings on several dioramas...

        As I see it, the main advantages are these:

        (a) It’s light
        (b) It’s rigid (i.e it does not seem to warp)
        (c) You can cut it and carve into the surface very easily…
        (d) … yet it has a 'memory' that means you can also indent shapes - they won't spring back.

        However, there are also some drawbacks:

        (e) It is also quite fragile - so if you mishandle the sheets it will dent - or, even worse, snap
        (f) It's primary 'strength' is also its weakness: once you carve, there is no going back. So make mistakes at you peril!
        (g) If you are joining sheets or blocks, then there is no way to cover over the join - unless it makes sense within the structure
        (h) It is very vulnerable to any glue or paint containing acetone - so no superglue or lacquer based paints should get anywhere near it, or it will dissolve...

        This is not exactly a ‘new’ material. In fact, I suspect it has been around for a lot longer than its use in scale modelling. But it seems to have become the ‘go to’ for making scale buildings quite recently. My inspiration to try this new material came from a well-known Youtuber. I am sure that most people here will be familiar with the videos posted by Martin Kovac (a.k.a. 'Nightshift'). He is a fantastic modeller (and one who is quite happy to talk through his mistakes as much as his triumphs) and he has been using high density foam in many of his dioramas. Here is a great example:



        Well, I decided to take the plunge and dive into world of XPS!

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        • Andy T
          SMF Supporters
          • Apr 2021
          • 3239
          • Sheffield

          #49
          I do like that foam from MTG. I bought a selection some time back after a recommendation by John Race.

          Whilst I don't have either of yours skills, having a great product makes my fumblings a bit easier.

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          • Guest

            #50
            Originally posted by TIM FORSTER
            you think I was 'up to speed' until a few weeks ago?
            TBH, I hadn’t expected you yo be, but you never know

            Originally posted by TIM FORSTER
            That's just part of the fun of this hobby - there's so much more to learn!
            Agreed, as soon as you start doing more than building straight from the box, the research will teach you things you never thought you’d find interesting

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            • TIM FORSTER
              • Apr 2018
              • 283
              • TIM
              • LONDON, UK

              #51
              Originally posted by Andy T
              I do like that foam from MTG. I bought a selection some time back after a recommendation by John Race.

              Whilst I don't have either of yours skills, having a great product makes my fumblings a bit easier.
              Andy, I am sure you are being too modest.

              Actually I have to thank John for first bringing high density foam to my attention some time ago... if I hadn't been building the Malayan jungle for my last dio I might have got round to using it sooner!

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              • TIM FORSTER
                • Apr 2018
                • 283
                • TIM
                • LONDON, UK

                #52
                Let the cutting and scribing commence!

                Although Nightshift / Martin Kovac gave me some of the inspiration for this build, I didn’t exactly copy his method. He tends to make structures that sit at the back of his dioramas and which are only partial in depth, so his use of foam blocks makes sense. But since I am building a virtually complete farm house, this would be excessive. There is also the problem of hiding joins between blocks. So I decided to go with the thinnest sheet (6mm).

                The thickness looked about right for the walls of my farmhouse - or at least the bits that were going to show. I say this, because I am not planning on having any of this building ‘opened up’ - i.e. there will be no open windows or doors (with one exception, but this will be at the back) and no ruined walls. This means that the only depth required will be what can be seen externally in the door and window apertures. Any extra depth will be suggested by the frames.

                The other advantage of using the thinner sheet is that it is easier to cut with greater accuracy.

                So, taking my card templates - and my heart in my mouth - I began to cut using a metal rule and a sharp knife. The results were not perfect (and they look pretty terrible at the back) but they were good enough. The arched tops to some of the windows and doorways were the most challenging, but here I could use the card template to guide my knife. Also, another advantage of this foam is that it can be (lightly) sanded using sanding sticks or sandpaper to bring it into line.

                The next bit is definitely the most nerve-wracking part of the whole process: scribing the bricks and stones. It’s not that it’s difficult exactly - it’s just that, if you make a mistake, there is probably no going back.

                Why bricks? Well, as you will see from some of the images above, although most of the old farm buildings in the Ardennes appear to have been built from stone, there also seems to be a common feature of using bricks to surround the window and door apertures. This not only creates visual interest - because of the contrasting shapes and textures - but will also allow for a more varied colour palette.

                By the way, here I did use Mr Kovac’s suggested dimensions for bricks. He advises that in 1/35 scale they should be: 2.5 mm tall / 4 mm deep / 8 mm wide. I also copied his method of using a paper template to measure out the courses of bricks.

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                The trick (as always) it to ‘measure twice, cut once’. I also used Tamiya masking tape to mark the outline of the brick courses - so that I did not stray into the area which would be occupied by the stones.

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                Undoubtedly the most challenging parts of this exercise were the arches of bricks over the top of some of the doors and windows. I thought long and hard about how achieve this, but in the end chose a rather ‘old school’ approach: I cut out brick shapes using the masking tape and then laid it over the foam until I had the right look. Then I simply scribed the bricks around them. It worked well enough…

                Finally, once all the measuring and scribing is done, the next part is actually very easy and satisfying - you simply take a sharp toothpick and run it along all the lines and around the corners. This opens up the scored lines and starts to make the shapes that are left more like they are intended to be: i.e. bricks!

                Then I moved on to the stone work… of which more next time!

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                • Neil Merryweather
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Dec 2018
                  • 5177
                  • London

                  #53
                  that's looking great , Tim!

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                  • langy71
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 1947
                    • Chris
                    • Nottingham

                    #54
                    Excellent so far Tim, I've always fancied having a bash at this method, but been to 'scared' of screwing it up, you make it look so easy..

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                    • scottie3158
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 14196
                      • Paul
                      • Holbeach

                      #55
                      Looking good Tim,

                      The way I hide the Joints of the boards is to cut the opposite bricks/stones out on the edges so they join together giving a natural joint. In the same way as the old Tamyia brick wall set. It is time consuming especially with uneven stone with brick it easier. Hope this is clear.

                      Cheers Scottie

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                      • Guest

                        #56
                        Originally posted by TIM FORSTER
                        I did use Mr Kovac’s suggested dimensions for bricks. He advises that in 1/35 scale they should be: 2.5 mm tall / 4 mm deep / 8 mm wide.
                        Brick size depends on time and place. Here’s a list of common sizes in Belgium, from the Dutch-language Wikipedia:

                        Boerkens 180 85 65
                        Superboerkens 180 85 90
                        Booms 175 82 50
                        Brussels 195 95 65
                        Brabant 200 95 60
                        Charleroi 210 100 65
                        Kustformaat 200 90 65
                        Moduul 50 190 90 50
                        Moduul 190 90 57
                        Moduul 65 190 90 65
                        Moduul 90 190 90 90
                        M (koffertje) 190 140 90
                        I know next to nothing about what the names actually refer to or in which parts of the country each of these is common, but for your Ardennes diorama, I suppose Charleroi would be a good size to use as baseline? 210 mm × 100 mm × 65 mm IRL equals about 6 mm × 3 mm × 2 mm in scale. That would make yours a bit oversize, but not overly much. And who says this particular builder didn’t use slightly bigger bricks?

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                        • Andy the Sheep
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1864
                          • Andrea
                          • North Eastern Italy

                          #57
                          The bricks look spot on and the stones even better, Tim. :thumb2: :thumb2: :thumb2:

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                          • TIM FORSTER
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 283
                            • TIM
                            • LONDON, UK

                            #58
                            Originally posted by scottie3158
                            Looking good Tim,

                            The way I hide the Joints of the boards is to cut the opposite bricks/stones out on the edges so they join together giving a natural joint. In the same way as the old Tamyia brick wall set. It is time consuming especially with uneven stone with brick it easier. Hope this is clear.

                            Cheers Scottie
                            Thanks Scottie.

                            Yes I see what you are saying and it would work - but it does rather increase the effort (not to mention all that measuring and lining up!)

                            I ahve found that putty (such as Magic sculp) also works well to hide any gaps. In any case, I am going to use a drainpipe to hide most of my join.

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                            • TIM FORSTER
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 283
                              • TIM
                              • LONDON, UK

                              #59
                              Than
                              Originally posted by Jakko
                              Brick size depends on time and place. Here’s a list of common sizes in Belgium, from the Dutch-language Wikipedia:

                              Boerkens 180 85 65
                              Superboerkens 180 85 90
                              Booms 175 82 50
                              Brussels 195 95 65
                              Brabant 200 95 60
                              Charleroi 210 100 65
                              Kustformaat 200 90 65
                              Moduul 50 190 90 50
                              Moduul 190 90 57
                              Moduul 65 190 90 65
                              Moduul 90 190 90 90
                              M (koffertje) 190 140 90
                              I know next to nothing about what the names actually refer to or in which parts of the country each of these is common, but for your Ardennes diorama, I suppose Charleroi would be a good size to use as baseline? 210 mm × 100 mm × 65 mm IRL equals about 6 mm × 3 mm × 2 mm in scale. That would make yours a bit oversize, but not overly much. And who says this particular builder didn’t use slightly bigger bricks? :smiling3:
                              Wow, that's more detail than I could ever have hoped for!

                              I agree that the bricks do look a little large - but at least I'm not building a Flemish town house (I may try an Arnhem dio one of these days).

                              Anyway thanks for the support and sorry for the slow posts. There is more progress on the way I promise...

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                              • TIM FORSTER
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 283
                                • TIM
                                • LONDON, UK

                                #60
                                So I have actually made quite a lot of progress since my last post, although not everything will be obvious here.

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                                The advantage of building everything from flat sides is that you can not only lay them flat on the workbench whilst scribing and shaping the stones and bricks, but also detail the window and doors more easily.

                                I will focus on the woodwork in another post (it's actually all made from plastic sheet), but I have now reached the stage where the building can start to go together. The roof you see here is still the temporary one made from thin card.

                                The glue I have used so far is an old favourite (and for those of us who grew up in the 70s a real blast from the past): UHU. This 'Extra' version is perfect for the high density foam because it doesn't contain any chemicals that eat into it. It's also pretty fast acting, whilst allowing a little time for re-positioning. The only downside is that it can be rather 'stringy'.

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                                Here are some more images of the structure temporarily positioned on the base...

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