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  • Panzerwrecker
    • Mar 2022
    • 578
    • Los
    • Wales, UK

    #31
    Originally posted by Jim R
    Thanks guys :thumb2:
    There's has been a bit of discussion on Ian's and Jakko's threads in this GB, and Los mentioned it earlier on this thread, about the offset of the teeth/rollers on the drive wheel. It has been suggested that the teeth/rollers need to be cut off and refixed to allow the track to sit properly. I don't have the skill or confidence to do that. I doubt I would reposition the teeth accurately and in sorting one issue I may well create more. In order to see how big an issue it was I have made up and primed a drive wheel and build a length of track. Looking at it I can see the problem but I can live with it. When weathered and as part of the completed model I don't think many would notice the track not sitting perfectly.
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    It will be interesting to see how those brave souls who intend to carry out the modification get on.
    Jim
    They don’t look to bad Jim. My first build had whacking great gaps between the tyre and links. I tried the fix on my second build, and it works great. I will also be applying it to my Sd.Kfz 7 on this GB

    I you haven’t already don’t glue the idler axle to the chassis!! You get to tension the track just as you want if left and you get the track sag you want. Then glue them up. I

    Fix for anybody else building any of the below in this GB. Taken from the PMMS site ([COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]with a few additional notes[/COLOR]) it applies to the below kits:

    German Sd.Kfz.7 Mittlere Zugkraftwagen 8t early version
    Trumpeter 1:35 Kit #01514
    German Sd.Kfz.7/1 2cm Flakvierling 38 auf Selbstfahrlafette
    ( early version) with Sd.Anhanger 51
    Trumpeter 1:35 Kit #01526
    German 3.7cm Flak 37 auf Selbstfahrlafette
    (Sd.Kfz.7/2 late version) with Sd.Anhanger 52
    Trumpeter 1:35 Kit #01526
    Drive Sprocket Modifications:

    The main issue with the kit drive sprockets is the drive rollers are not offset as they should be but are located centrally on the outer sprocket facets which is very noticeable on these larger sprockets and prevents the track from sitting flush around the sprocket. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]The detail on the roller housings are also stangely facing rearward (see below how the fix also simply corrects this)
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    Assembled drive sprocket as it comes in the kit with the etched step ring.
    Note the lack of drive sprocket teeth offset which prevents the track from sitting evenly around the sprocket.

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    Actual drive sprockets for reference [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]*Note there are no engraved lines on the face and these should be filled on the kit part[/COLOR]

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    With a little work it's possible to modify the kit sprockets to allow the drive rollers to be offset correctly and in turn allow the track to sit evenly around the sprocket, thanks to Bernard and Peter for the feedback.

    The drive roller ring (part B15) has small brackets included that fit into the corresponding recesses in the outer drive sprocket half and the first modification is to carefully cut these brackets from the sprocket ring using a very sharp knife or scalpel blade. These brackets should be saved if possible to re-attach to the outer sprocket half to ensure the gap around the outer rim of the sprocket is the same as original.

    Modifications to the kit sprocket roller ring and drive sprocket as per text.
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    The small brackets are then glued to the inside of the outer drive sprocket (part B21) in the same position they would be if still attached to the sprocket ring, test fit the sprocket ring before cutting off the brackets to note the position.

    Brackets cut from the sprocket ring glued to the outer drive sprocket.
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    The modified drive roller ring can them be fitted to the outer drive sprocket with the drive roller offset aligned correctly, you can also position the ring with the detailed side facing outwards to further add to the detail instead of facing inward as it comes in the kit. Before adding the inner sprocket half (part B1) cut away the small locating pin inside the locating boss to allow this to be aligned correctly with the outer sprocket.


    Modified sprockets showing the correct drive roller offset and the
    track sitting flush around the sprocket as it should.

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    You should note that the drive roller is located forward on the sprocket facet on both left and right sprockets so they are facing forward when fitted to the vehicle and so are not the same on both and you should insure you align these appropriately for each sprocket.

    This corrects one of the main issues with the kit sprockets with the only remaining issue being the six engraved lines on disc face which is another challenge.

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    • JR
      • May 2015
      • 18273

      #32
      Good job I'm not attempting this then Jim you know my love of tracks !
      Plenty of mud comes to mind.

      Find things like this so annoying, these manufacturers have every method available in getting things right so why on earth do they just blindly carry on. Not bothered comes to mind, think we modellers are far to lenient with errors. If the manufacturer had a load of returns from merchants and refund requests they may attempt to get thing right in the first place .
      Grumpy or Linc's

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      • Mickc1440
        SMF Supporters
        • Apr 2018
        • 4779

        #33
        That's quite a bit of work but you've got this Jim

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        • adt70hk
          SMF Supporters
          • Sep 2019
          • 10419

          #34
          Jim,

          Apologies missed the start of this! Good luck with the sprockets, whatever approach your take.

          ATB.

          Andrew

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          • Jim R
            SMF Supporters
            • Apr 2018
            • 15733
            • Jim
            • Shropshire

            #35
            Ian - Sorry about the sprue shots. I didn't realise that the GB rules wanted actual photos so I just referenced them in my first post. It was a genuine misunderstanding. If I join any further GBs I will willingly post my own sprue photos.
            Originally posted by Ian M
            .... but to show that the kit has not been started
            Actually posting sprue shots doesn't show the kit hasn't been started prior to the GB start date as the posted photos could have been taken way before the GB start date and just included in the introductory post.
            Steve - always value your support.
            Los - WOW! All that info. Thanks. Far too much for my geriatric brain to cope with :smiling: I had actually seen it all before on the PMMS site which I reference in my first post. I tend to be a cut it, glue it, paint it and hope it looks summat like whats on the box breed of modeller:tongue-out3:
            John -
            Originally posted by John Race
            Plenty of mud comes to mind.
            Aaaah yes, mud, glorious mud. A modellers best friend. Your love of tracks is well known! Appreciate you looking in.
            Mick - there certainly is a lot of work which is why it has sat in the stash for 10 years. At least it doesn't scare me now as it did back then so hopefully I'll get a result.
            Andrew - welcome on board.

            Now for a bit of an update ...

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            • Jim R
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 15733
              • Jim
              • Shropshire

              #36
              Engine built. Lots of parts. It won't be seen as I'll have the bonnet closed. I built it partly for fun but also as I wasn't sure how much of it was needed to fix/strengthen the chassis and the bulkhead. So no wires, cables or belts to scratch :smiling:
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              Jim

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              • Tim Marlow
                SMF Supporters
                • Apr 2018
                • 18926
                • Tim
                • Somerset UK

                #37
                Seems a shame to hide that engine Jim, looks great.

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                • Ian M
                  Administrator
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 18271
                  • Ian
                  • Falster, Denmark

                  #38
                  Nice work on the motor Jim, very neat and tidy. I have had the same thoughts on my build. A nice motor and never seen again.... Yes we could faff about opening the bonnet/leaving the sides off but will we?
                  No me neither.

                  The bit regarding the photos is a trust thing. we had all kind of suggestions, some almost on the verge of proof of life. Sprues and a newspaper with the date... I think we are all OK with that we just take a picture of the sprues and trust each other. lol.
                  Group builds

                  Bismarck

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                  • Tim Marlow
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 18926
                    • Tim
                    • Somerset UK

                    #39
                    I’d be in trouble with that one Ian…..I haven’t bought a newspaper for about thirty years…..

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                    • Lee Drennen
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 7711

                      #40
                      Nice one Jim as well as the updates

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                      • Allen Dewire
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 4741
                        • Allen
                        • Bamberg

                        #41
                        Ohhhh!!! Aren't those 6-cylinder Maybach motors sweet!!! It's crying to be detailed Jimbo....You know you really want to!!!..........

                        Prost
                        Allen
                        Life's to short to be a sheep...

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                        • The Smythe Meister
                          • Jan 2019
                          • 6248

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Allen Dewire
                          Ohhhh!!! Aren't those 6-cylinder Maybach motors sweet!!! It's crying to be detailed Jimbo....You know you really want to!!!..........

                          Prost
                          Allen
                          What... Like this you mean?!!
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                          • Airborne01
                            • Mar 2021
                            • 3996
                            • Steve
                            • Essex

                            #43
                            Ouch, I wanted these references - what publication contains them please? I can, at least, apply the brush as an afterthought ... :loudly-crying:
                            Steve

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                            • The Smythe Meister
                              • Jan 2019
                              • 6248

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Airborne01
                              Ouch, I wanted these references - what publication contains them please? I can, at least, apply the brush as an afterthought ... :loudly-crying:
                              Steve
                              I'll pm you Steve

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                              • Panzerwrecker
                                • Mar 2022
                                • 578
                                • Los
                                • Wales, UK

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Jim R
                                Engine built. Lots of parts. It won't be seen as I'll have the bonnet closed. I built it partly for fun but also as I wasn't sure how much of it was needed to fix/strengthen the chassis and the bulkhead. So no wires, cables or belts to scratch :smiling:
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                                Jim
                                Hi Jim

                                Looking good.

                                Only the bottom end is visible with the engine bay buttoned up, so you need to a least build the block and oil pan. The fan is extremely tight against the radiator housing but you can always remove it.

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