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  • Panzerwrecker
    • Mar 2022
    • 578
    • Los
    • Wales, UK

    #91
    That camo is looking good.

    The only advice I would give when airbrushing a camo scheme is to be mindful that this vehicle will almost certainly have received any camo in the field.

    Just imagine the reach you could attain with a spray gun yourself over the bodywork. You would constantly have to climb all over it and mate up your existing pattern, often covering tools and other paraphanalia in the process. Add an extra colour and you could see how criss-crossing patterns would likely occur. I know often that is what was demanded but often you see the two colours cross when they were intended only to demarcate the DG basecoat.

    Although a decent painter working with a decent gun could regulate the spray pattern the paint thickness could be inconsistant so a rough patch here and there would be likely too.

    I think to get a tri-tonal pattern in scale to look good first time is difficult without using ref pics and yours looks good. They often don't look pleasing to the eye because they were never intended to be.

    Corners covered to disguise the outline were far more important than to aesthetically please anybody.

    I would definately tone the overall appearance with a light misting of the base colour or even a slightly lighter shade. Take the edge of the stark colour contrasts so to speak.

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    • Guest

      #92
      Originally posted by Panzerwrecker
      They often don't look pleasing to the eye because they were never intended to be.

      Corners covered to disguise the outline were far more important than to aesthetically please anybody.
      Like I said in another thread in this GB, a lot of modellers don’t seem to realise this important point

      Also, I would add to your explanation that most people, whether soldiers or modellers, don’t know the principles of camouflage painting, so when painting without guidance (such as a manual printed for this exact purpose), they just do what seems or looks right — which often isn’t something that will actually camouflage as well as it could. For a model, this can mean that you may want to put yourself into the mind of a soldier who’s just been told to “spray camouflage onto this vehicle using these here paints.”

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      • JR
        • May 2015
        • 18273

        #93
        Interesting posts to your great build Ian about the camo . From what I can gather you could just throw it on and call it done !

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        • adt70hk
          SMF Supporters
          • Sep 2019
          • 10400

          #94
          Ian,

          No complaints from me. That's coming on very nicely indeed.

          Keep up the great work.

          Andrew

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          • minitnkr
            Charter Rabble member
            • Apr 2018
            • 7517
            • Paul
            • Dayton, OH USA

            #95
            I often use the camo. 'squint test'. Squint while looking at your result & see if the pattern obscures the the shape of the object making it unidentifiable. Placing it in an example environment usually makes it close to invisible. There are rules for camo application, but I've found this test usually meets the requirements.

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            • Ian M
              Administrator
              • Dec 2008
              • 18266
              • Ian
              • Falster, Denmark

              #96
              Originally posted by Panzerwrecker
              I would definately tone the overall appearance with a light misting of the base colour or even a slightly lighter shade. Take the edge of the stark colour contrasts so to speak.
              So the colour is good the pattern good. Thanks chaps.
              Now I can move on to blending and shading...
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              Bismarck

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              • Ian M
                Administrator
                • Dec 2008
                • 18266
                • Ian
                • Falster, Denmark

                #97
                Originally posted by John Race
                Interesting posts to your great build Ian about the camo . From what I can gather you could just throw it on and call it done !
                I can suddenly see why you are so taken by Russian armour. Green paint. Job done. lol
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                • Ian M
                  Administrator
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 18266
                  • Ian
                  • Falster, Denmark

                  #98
                  Not forgotten you all. The camouflage in now under a gloss coat and I am contemplating how to weather it. As in a little or a lot I know (sort of) how to, just a question of how much.
                  Watch this space.
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                  Bismarck

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                  • Ian M
                    Administrator
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 18266
                    • Ian
                    • Falster, Denmark

                    #99
                    Right then, Befor I get to carried away slinging mud around:
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                    Just a little teaser of where I am at. Its had the liquid masking peeled off and a good coat of gloss.
                    Question time for all you diorama builders.
                    Normandy: If memory serves that was summer wasn't it? so would have been more dry and dusty that muddy and wet. Any feed back on that?
                    Soil colour. Is it the light chalky loam of the Dover straights or the rich red clay soil. Dark rich soil or sticky clay?
                    I need to figure this out befor Putting dirt on things.

                    Also another quick tease of the load this has been pulling around. AND NO there are NO BUILD PICTURES :tongue-out::tired::loudly-crying:

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                    Yes it was 'fun to build' a bugger to paint, has things which could be better. Here is Karl waiting to set the thing up.

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                    Here is Karl standing in a relaxed pose after having helped get the platform ready to fire.

                    I wont go into full detail but:
                    The hard vinyl tyres apart from being a pain to paint are rather loose on the rims. Super-glue just laughs and looses it grip.
                    The transport wheels boogie sets have no real fixing and will drop the platform at the slightest look. I figured a way to keep the boogie attached to the "body"
                    Some details are a bit odd Some of the gratings for platforms are done as such, as a grate. The others are just solid. Also the railing on the loaders platform should fold down for transport. It cant. But the platforms can be folded.
                    Oh there is NO towing connectors at all. Guess they forgot that bit.
                    Any how. Being towed or ready to fire? Do you think an 88mm crew would work...
                    Should I just build the Anti tank gun instead? lol
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                    • scottie3158
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 14199
                      • Paul
                      • Holbeach

                      #100
                      Looking very nice. I think deployed.

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                      • minitnkr
                        Charter Rabble member
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 7517
                        • Paul
                        • Dayton, OH USA

                        #101
                        Your late war PAK would be my choice as towed piece and would be looking for a position away from the bocage and with some elevation to take advantage of its' great range & optics. The AA 128 is certainly large & impressive enough to be a standalone deployed piece. German artillerymen were quite fussy so no mud/mess, light dust weathering if at all. Site would be well policed as well. Likely in suburbs of a fairly large/important bombing target. Typical site, for reference only.
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                        • BattleshipBob
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                          • Apr 2018
                          • 6792
                          • Bob
                          • Cardiff

                          #102
                          Very nice Ian, being towed, nice dust cloud?

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                          • Guest

                            #103
                            Originally posted by Ian M
                            Normandy: If memory serves that was summer wasn't it?
                            Well, they landed on 6 June, so … late spring and early–mid summer. Pretty dry weather, generally speaking, and dust is often noticeable in photos of the fighting.

                            Originally posted by Ian M
                            Soil colour. Is it the light chalky loam of the Dover straights or the rich red clay soil. Dark rich soil or sticky clay?
                            This thread on Armorama seems to cover the topic fairly well. Read all of it and not just the top, though, as the early messages get added to and partly contradicted by later ones.

                            Originally posted by Ian M
                            Also another quick tease of the load this has been pulling around.
                            I’m not an expert, but that seems an unlikely weapon in Normandy (I would expect most of them to be defending German cities), or for a 12-tonne halftrack to pull: the 12,8 cm FlaK 40 weighed 18 tonnes in firing position.

                            Originally posted by Ian M
                            Do you think an 88mm crew would work...
                            Almost certainly, though the ammunition was far bigger and heavier so the crew may need a few adaptations to properly (and believably) hold it.

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                            • Ian M
                              Administrator
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 18266
                              • Ian
                              • Falster, Denmark

                              #104
                              Cheers chaps.
                              Originally posted by Jakko
                              for a 12-tonne halftrack to pull: the 12,8 cm FlaK 40 weighed 18 tonnes in firing position
                              12 ton wasn't that the load it could carry? I am sure the pulling power was more than enough, and I have seen a few photos of them pulling this gun . Also read that the gun and wheels weighed 27 ton.

                              You might be right about being I Normandy though.
                              I intend building the PaK anyway so I can choose later.

                              Dusty then, I like dusty.
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                              • Guest

                                #105
                                No, for these halftracks the tonnage is the pulling power. That was the whole reason for them being designed as halftracks rather than fully wheeled vehicles. Carried load was less, only maybe a quarter of the pulling power, off the top of my head?

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