BARBAROSSA !

[Steve Brodie]

3 or 4, i would give them both a 5 out of 5 (yes i know lol ). Both great builds and look very cold.

[grumpa]

Oh Brother! what ever happened to "artistic license?" I suppose some astronomers told Van Gogh he didn't have his constellations in " Proper alignment " when he painted "Starry, Starry, Night" Not that I would EVER even deign to put myself in any category even remotely related to such a legend. Can't we just lighten up a bit and enjoy the "visuals" of our art in 3D and try not to bog ourselves down in technicalities? Dub, you've Always been kind to my meager offerings and I DO so appreciate every ones posts , so I sincerely hope I'm not coming off as too thin skinned or harsh in any way. LOVE TO ALL! JIM

Oh! Dub, you mentioned "Quarter scale"? do you mean 1/25? Model is 1/35.

[Guest]

Oh! Dub, you mentioned "Quarter scale"? do you mean 1/25? Model is 1/35.

Ah , well from this a previous reply in this thread, I took it to be 1/48 (quarter scale to you guys)


And with regard to my other post, are we not striving to reproduce scale representations of past & present vehicles, aircraft et al?


Surely they should have a historical accurate context? If someone did a P-51D Mustang in RAF colours entitled " Battle of Britain ", would that be ok?


I'm not knocking you or your stuff, how you choose to represent something is entirely your affair. However, if it's markedly incorrect then I feel anyone should expect some form of reply highlighting that point.


Just my opinion!

[grumpa]

Ah , well from this a previous reply in this thread, I took it to be 1/48 (quarter scale to you guys)
And with regard to my other post, are we not striving to reproduce scale representations of past & present vehicles, aircraft et al?


Surely they should have a historical accurate context? If someone did a P-51D Mustang in RAF colours entitled " Battle of Britain ", would that be ok?


I'm not knocking you or your stuff, how you choose to represent something is entirely your affair. However, if it's markedly incorrect then I feel anyone should expect some form of reply highlighting that point.


Just my opinion!

Hello DUBBS this tank was painted in a winter whitewash for the eastern front. Tanks were panzer grey from the factory but in early winter months when fall snow began all vehicles were giving washable white to hand paint over the grey by the crews in the field. I am showing my reference to said piece. If you would also like to research it yourself ,I recommend you pull up ACHTUNGPANZER.COM/PANZER-COLORS-1934-1945.HTM. I certainly would have researched it before I referred to anyones work as being "MARKEDLY INCORRECT".[ATTACH]100701.IPB[/ATTACH]

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[Guest]

In late 1939, OKH decided to useonly the dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021) and by mid 1940, it was the only colour used, as it was factory applied. In the winter of 1941/42, all German vehicles on the Eastern Front were provided and applied with washable whitewinter camouflage paint that was used to cover all the visible areas. copied and pasted from ACHTUNGPANZER site.

[Guest]

Firstly, why not use my name? It's simple politeness, something I've tried to observe.


Secondly, I hadn't realised that you were using such a respected source if information as " Hitlers Teutonic Knights "!


Whilst I wouldn't want to question Mr Quarries august tome, it surprises me that winter whitewash was so readily available considering that the OKW had not made any provision for a winter campaign & that the men had neither warm clothes or anti-freeze.


Curious huh?


All my best


PATRICK

[grumpa]

I'm terribly sorry PATRICK maybe you can further enlighten me by directing to the tome {didn't think I knew what that was did ja?} that you published on the subject. Never too old to learn ya know

[grumpa]

I'm terribly sorry PATRICK maybe you can further enlighten me by directing to the tome {didn't think I knew what that was did ja?} that you published on the subject. Never too old to learn ya know

Oh I'm SURE you know that the starving troops in Stalingrad were air lifted tons of condoms and black pepper while they were in desperate need of food, warm clothes and ammunition curious huh?

[Guest]

I haven't tried quarter-scale in armour yet, gotta give it a go! That would be the Ausf L version I guess?
I have to admit that I'm not convinced by the 'winter camo'.... if the setting is for late '41, plain Panzer Grey would be more appropriate - sorry to nitpick, but my rivetcounter head goes on with German armour![/

Firstly, why not use my name? It's simple politeness, something I've tried to observe.
Secondly, I hadn't realised that you were using such a respected source if information as " Hitlers Teutonic Knights "!


Whilst I wouldn't want to question Mr Quarries august tome, it surprises me that winter whitewash was so readily available considering that the OKW had not made any provision for a winter campaign & that the men had neither warm clothes or anti-freeze.


Curious huh?


All my best


PATRICK

Maybe this will help Patrick?


Whitewash


During the first winter on the Eastern Front, it became apparent that Dunkelgrau vehicles became very easy targets in the snow. To solve this, white paint was issued. The paint was water soluble, so that it could be easily removed in the spring, or run off when it started to rain. Unit markings, Balkenkreuze, and other markings were usually left in their original base color, to avoid having to repaint the markings.


As there was not enough white paint available to paint all vehicles, non-combat vehicles were generally not whitewashed. Some vehicles also received only partial whitewashes, such as in stripes or only on the front. Some even used chalk, white sheets or stacked snow, when no paint was available.


Copied and pasted from PANZERWORLD/GERMAN CAMOFLAGE

[Guest]

MAYBE THIS HELPS PATRICK?


Whitewash


During the first winter on the Eastern Front, it became apparent that Dunkelgrau vehicles became very easy targets in the snow. To solve this, white paint was issued. The paint was water soluble, so that it could be easily removed in the spring, or run off when it started to rain. Unit markings, Balkenkreuze, and other markings were usually left in their original base color, to avoid having to repaint the markings.


As there was not enough white paint available to paint all vehicles, non-combat vehicles were generally not whitewashed. Some vehicles also received only partial whitewashes, such as in stripes or only on the front. Some even used chalk, white sheets or stacked snow, when no paint was available.


COPIED AND PASTED FROM PANZERWORLD WEBSITE. I COULD KEEP GOING UNTIL YOU FIND A SOURCE THATS "RESPECTED" ENUFF FOR YOU.

[Guest]

IM LOVING THIS HISTORICAL ARGUING SH**!!!! ITS KINDA FUN

[spanner570]

I for one don't think 'its kinda fun'....... any chance you people can stop this slanging match 'cos that's what is starting to happen.....


This is a friendly, self disciplined forum, one in which the mods. and admin. rarely get involved....Let's keep it that way please.

[Guest]

I for one don't think 'its kinda fun'....... any chance you people can stop this slanging match 'cos that's what is starting to happen.....
This is a friendly forum, one in which the mods. and admin. rarely get involved....Let's keep it that way please.

Your right Ron, I only got involved cause I ACTUALLY PAINTED THAT MODEL. I DO STRIVE FOR HISTORICAL ACCURACY AND WAS JUST PROVIDING HELPFUL INFORMATION TO PATRICK TO FURTHER EXPAND HIS APPARENT VAST KNOWLEGE ON THE GERMAN AFVS OF WW2. NO NEED TO BICKER ABOUT IT AND TO SHOW THERE IS NO HARD FEELINGS I WANT PATRICK TO KNOW IM VERY OPEN TO HIS APPOLOGY (WHEN HE'S READY).

[flyjoe180]

Really gents?

[grumpa]

I don't know it kinda saps the fun out of Modeling. I never claimed to be a historical know it all on ANY subject, " JUST TRYIN TO BUILD SOME MODELS SIR!" and have some fun. LOVE to ALL! JIM