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  • Wobbly Woofer
    • Mar 2022
    • 35

    #1

    German Vehicle

    Hi all, Quick question, if I may. I'm currentlly building a 20mm FLAKVIERLING 38, hoping to use it in an upcoming Dio. Daft question I know, but anyone have any ideas on what vehicle would have been used to tow it ...1940-41. All the best WobblyWoofer.
  • minitnkr
    Charter Rabble member
    • Apr 2018
    • 7504
    • Paul
    • Dayton, OH USA

    #2
    Kettengrad on up. Haven't seen a kubelwagon pull one. May be due to poor hitch.

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    • Mini Me
      SMF Supporters
      • Jun 2018
      • 10711

      #3
      Seen a lot of 'em behind the Krupp Protze as well as the SdKfz.11 tow tractor. But as Paul said, just about anything.

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      • Airborne01
        SMF Supporters
        • Mar 2021
        • 3935
        • Steve
        • Essex

        #4
        Just about anything in the 'abteilung' that had the more or less tractive capacity (and a tow hook) I suspect mate. Case of 'needs must ' ...
        Steve

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        • JR
          • May 2015
          • 18273

          #5
          Where is Dude1 when you need advice ?

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          • Ian M
            Administrator
            • Dec 2008
            • 18259
            • Ian
            • Falster, Denmark

            #6
            With a weight of about 400kg/900lb. Just about anything could pull it.
            Group builds

            Bismarck

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            • Dave Ward
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 10549

              #7
              I would say any of the Wehrmacht trucks would pull it, but a Flakvierling is a different beast to a single barrel mount. You would need to carry a lot more ammo for the 4-barreled mount, so a larger vehicle, like a half-track, or a truck would be more likely ( and carry the crew as well ).
              Dave

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              • Guest

                #8
                Unfortunately, I couldn’t find a KStN (Kriegsstärkenachweisung) for any Flakvierling unit, as that would have given an answer to what was officially supposed to tow it.

                If you’re going for a half-track, then anything over a 3-tonner (Sd.Kfz. 11) would be overkill, though: a 2-cm-Flakvierling 38 weighed about 1.5 tonnes (Ian's 400 kg is for the 2-cm-Flak 38, the single-barrel version), so towing it with something with far greater capacity would probably only be done if nothing else was available, and the vehicle didn’t have something more important to pull. Other than that consideration, especially if you’re going for a weapon later in the war, almost anything would go if it’s got the capacity — any of the 1.5- or 3-ton lorries would be good choices, I would say.

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                • minitnkr
                  Charter Rabble member
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 7504
                  • Paul
                  • Dayton, OH USA

                  #9
                  Official capy. was 450kg for the ketten, but was exceeded routinely.

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Originally posted by minitnkr
                    Official capy. was 450kg for the ketten, but was exceeded routinely.


                    5.2 tonnes, assuming it’s empty

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                    • Dave Ward
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 10549

                      #11
                      Mick,
                      you may not be aware of this site - https://www.o5m6.de/wehrmacht/vierling_2.php - some interesting pictures - the guy does a Red Army site & a Western Allies one as well, but the last is very much a WIP
                      Dave

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                      • minitnkr
                        Charter Rabble member
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 7504
                        • Paul
                        • Dayton, OH USA

                        #12
                        Was rethinking 40-41 dates, maybe besides 1.5 & 3 ton trucks/halftracks, one of the heavy cars from that period.

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