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  • JR
    • May 2015
    • 18273

    #46
    570.
    Interesting method of doing the track fitting re the gluing as you progress. One that when I use that sort of track again I will try.
    Always wonder that if you don't use a primer, have you never had the paint flake off.?
    Your not alone in doing this either, I don't think Peter Day uses it either. If I'm wrong on that Peter sorry.

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    • Guest

      #47
      Originally posted by John Race
      Always wonder that if you don't use a primer, have you never had the paint flake off.?
      Your not alone in doing this either, I don't think Peter Day uses it either. If I'm wrong on that Peter sorry.
      Or me. I can’t speak for Ron, but I’ve never found paint to flake off plastic unless there’s something on the plastic that shouldn’t be there, like mould release agent (the usual culprit), and that’s actually very rare in most kits.

      To give an example of durability: until a couple of years ago, I used to play Warhammer 40K regularly, usually with a mix of metal and plastic figures. The metal figures, I primed and sealed carefully with a couple of strong coats of varnish, and for transport, sandwiched between two layers of acoustic foam so they wouldn’t touch any other models. Plastic figures, OTOH, I didn’t prime and gave a lighter coat of varnish, then just chucked all of them together into a container that I packed tight with figures and styrofoam worms etc. No paint ever wore off the plastic figures, but try packing metal figures like that and you can repaint them after transporting them once.

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      • JR
        • May 2015
        • 18273

        #48
        Originally posted by Jakko
        Or me. I can’t speak for Ron, but I’ve never found paint to flake off plastic unless there’s something on the plastic that shouldn’t be there, like mould release agent (the usual culprit), and that’s actually very rare in most kits.

        To give an example of durability: until a couple of years ago, I used to play Warhammer 40K regularly, usually with a mix of metal and plastic figures. The metal figures, I primed and sealed carefully with a couple of strong coats of varnish, and for transport, sandwiched between two layers of acoustic foam so they wouldn’t touch any other models. Plastic figures, OTOH, I didn’t prime and gave a lighter coat of varnish, then just chucked all of them together into a container that I packed tight with figures and styrofoam worms etc. No paint ever wore off the plastic figures, but try packing metal figures like that and you can repaint them after transporting them once.
        Hi Jakko.
        Thanks for that.
        That is an interesting point, I suppose having done a lot of furniture and other finishing jobs where I had to use a primer or sealer to key the surface I naturally assumed that plastic would need the same treatment and bought the primers . I would like to know the difference between a primer and a top coat of for with the example Vallejo , in fact I thin I will email them just out of interest.

        John.

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        • Jim R
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          • Apr 2018
          • 15687
          • Jim
          • Shropshire

          #49
          Hi Ron
          That is a good way to deal with the tracks.
          Jim

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          • scottie3158
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            • Apr 2018
            • 14201
            • Paul
            • Holbeach

            #50
            Ron,
            Great work on the tracks, looking at their size the full runs must ways the same as a panzer 1 lol

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            • Guest

              #51
              Originally posted by John Race
              That is an interesting point, I suppose having done a lot of furniture and other finishing jobs where I had to use a primer or sealer to key the surface I naturally assumed that plastic would need the same treatment and bought the primers .
              I suppose the reason I don’t is largely because I never used to — I got into this hobby as a child, and of course you don’t prime then, you just put the paint on Since this never caused any problems, I haven’t yet seen a need to use primer on plastic except to provide an even base colour (for example when the model has very different colours of plastic) or if there are also metal or resin parts on the model, to which paint won’t adhere as well.

              Originally posted by John Race
              I would like to know the difference between a primer and a top coat of for with the example Vallejo , in fact I thin I will email them just out of interest..
              My guess is that the primer is more aggressive, so that it will bite into the material better, so it won’t come off as easily.

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              • spanner570
                SMF Supporters
                • May 2009
                • 15391

                #52
                The tracks are finally completed. Total pieces count = 360 They went together very well with hardly any cleaning up. The main problem was keeping my sanity due to the repartition of the task.
                Here are the pictures.

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                Tracks fitted.
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                I'm glad this bit is behind me. Next up I'll glue the lid on and paint in some detail. Then finally fettle where required.

                BIG edit!
                The model is now completed and over in Military vehicles / armoured vehicles / completed.
                Thanks for all the support along the way.

                Cheers.
                Ron

                Cheers.
                Ron

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                • Gern
                  SMF Supporters
                  • May 2009
                  • 9213

                  #53
                  You learn summat new every day on here! I didn't know until reading your last post Ron, that the technical term for the upper superstructure of a tank is 'the lid'. Amazin'!

                  PS Crackin' job on those tracks.

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                  • spanner570
                    SMF Supporters
                    • May 2009
                    • 15391

                    #54
                    Thanks Dave, I'm chuffed you like the tracks. I'm glad they are behind me now....

                    I'm also very happy to help in heduficating you with some technical 'Armour Speak'.

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                    • Mini Me
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Jun 2018
                      • 10711

                      #55
                      Yes I agree, The tracks do look the Bomb.:thumb2:
                      Rick H.

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                      • JR
                        • May 2015
                        • 18273

                        #56
                        570.
                        I never thought you were sane

                        Yours.

                        Prof J Dimwhit .
                        Dir of Clinical Psychology.
                        Broadmoor.

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                        • Guest

                          #57
                          Ron,
                          With the tracks on, that wheel layout does not seem so out of kilter, still watching with interest.
                          Cheers, Mike.

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