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  • BattleshipBob
    SMF Supporters
    • Apr 2018
    • 6821
    • Bob
    • Cardiff

    #1

    Stug fest 2019, the beginning of a true legend

    I few have asked about my Stug luv, I think if you asked modellers, people interested in WW11 to name tanks/armoured vehicles they would usually say (in no order)

    Tiger/king Tiger, Sherman ,T34. Panther etc but little said about one of the most deadly tank hunters in history the Sturmgeschutz 111, about 20,000 kills or so and in production from 1937 - 1945!

    I have a wide interest in history from the middle ages to WW11, battleships to the SS and I have a large library on these subjects especially the SS / Waffen SS but by far the Stug dominates my book collection. I have always liked its mean looks, low down, great ambush vehicle but not as glamorous as a Tiger and not a pretty thing lol.

    So for a few good years I have spent hours reading about them so although I bet a few on the sight know more about the Stug I know a thing or two or even three (should do)!!!

    So here goes, lets make a small start

    In the mid 1930โ€™s German infantry officers supported by von Manstein wanted to find a way of mounting artillery to support the infantry on vehicles. The time it took to set up towed artillery guns was a major problem with the new blitzkrieg ideas. Coupled with their experience of WW1 they wanted an armoured vehicle to work with the infantry to take out obstacles such as pill boxโ€™s and other fortifications. Unlike British tactics where infantry tanks moved at the pace of the infantry (slow) The German infantry advanced at the support vehicles pace, much faster. The recently developed Pz 111 was selected for the prototype and the Ausf B was used. The design called for the use of the short barrelled L24 gun, this was use then fitted to the Pz IV with limited movement; remember the Stug was not originally designed as a tank hunter! The vehicle had to have a very low height, this was in the original plans as it must be not be taller than a standing man! Originally it was to have an open body but this was dropped as it offered poor protection for the crew.

    A total of 5 were made by Daimler Benz and completed by 1937, these were made out of soft steel, so not for combat. These went on to develop the Sturmgeschutz or assault gun theory. They where used as driver training vehicles, the last know use was in 1941 in Juterbog (home of the Stug).

    As you can see the Stug was born and is easily recognised even as a prototype when compared with the other later versions, but by far the biggest difference was the running gear. The Pz 111 B running gear was a very complicated leaf spring suspension with lots of linkages and would have been a nightmare in the field, it would be dropped to the much more recognised torsion bar system.
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    The two round hatches were for inspection and dropped, remember not armoured

    I do hope this is of interest to you chaps, if not please let me know!! I cry easily though lol

    Feedback would be important, please

    Thanks bob
  • AlanG
    • Dec 2008
    • 6296

    #2
    I'll be watching this Bob. Even though i'm a wingy thing bloke i still like to think about doing a tank one day

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    • Guest

      #3
      Hi Bob I'm not a expert on Stug's but didan't Krupp, MAN, and Rheinmetall also produced prototypes I know Daimler-Benz was chosen for production and I also thought it was ten, two were unarmed. I'm probably wrong.
      Very interesting keep it comimg.
      Pete

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      • Mickc1440
        • Apr 2018
        • 4786

        #4
        I shall grab a seat quickly for this one as this is one vehicle I know nothing about, so comfy seat and note book ready.

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        • Guest

          #5
          In early as I don't want to miss this.

          As another that knows very little about these the background is interesting.

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          • scottie3158
            • Apr 2018
            • 14256
            • Paul
            • Holbeach

            #6
            Bob,
            Count me in chair pulled up. Starting off with a nice history.

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            • Steve Jones
              • Apr 2018
              • 6615

              #7
              Hooooorah!! We are off and running. Cant wait to see which one you choose first. I did the F8 in North Africa which got me hooked on these things. Good luck!!

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              • BattleshipBob
                SMF Supporters
                • Apr 2018
                • 6821
                • Bob
                • Cardiff

                #8
                Most welcome Al to the world of the Stug!

                Hi Pete, as far as i know, DB where the only company chosen as they were developing the Pz 111 so easy to select complete Pz B hulls from the DB factory. Again as far as i know 5 built and all armed but unarmoured.

                I am no expert and others will know more and always open to questions Pete. Lots i do not know but plenty of books to check with!

                Welcome aboard my obsession Mick

                Hi Paul, ask away.

                Scottie delighted to have you watching

                Hi Steve. Already built the the prototype O and its in primer. Will post tomorow. Also built the first A, second A version to start, will explain the differences between them soon. Then will build in order

                Not sure weather to build as new or weathered????

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  Hi Bob found these but you probably know or seen this all before if so sorry.

                  The Krupp MKA prototype for the Pz.III series. This was not adopted,but features from it were later used in the Pz.IV.
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                  Munition / Recovery Panzer III

                  Converted from obsolescent Panzers III Ausf. H, J's and possible some other versions. The munitionpanzer III was a far simpler conversion. Basically a large wire frame "cap" that fitted over the turret ring that was in turn covered by a canvas tarp. It was by no means a grenade net because of the large spaces in the frame. Two handles were located on the insite to facilitate lifting the "cap".
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                  Minenraumer III
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                  Panzer III Railway version
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                  Panzer III Unterwasser-Tauchpanzer
                  The Tauchpanzer was based on Pz.Kpfw. Ausf. F,G,H and PzBef Ausf E
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                  Panzer III / IV Bridgelayer
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                  Russian SU-762 on Panzer III Chassis
                  The command version of SU-76i SP gun based on captured German tank chassis
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                  Pete.

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                  • BattleshipBob
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 6821
                    • Bob
                    • Cardiff

                    #10
                    No need at all to be sorry Pete

                    Many new too me! You can see the Pz IV in the pics

                    Many thanks for posting very interesting photos!

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                    • boatman
                      • Nov 2018
                      • 14498
                      • christopher
                      • NORFOLK UK

                      #11
                      HI Bob well it looks like your stug thread is off to a flyin start keep it up boyo i'll be following with all the guys
                      chris

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                      • Jim R
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 15820
                        • Jim
                        • Shropshire

                        #12
                        Hi Bob
                        Sitting and watching. Sure to learn a thing or two.
                        Jim

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                        • BattleshipBob
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 6821
                          • Bob
                          • Cardiff

                          #13
                          Evening Jim
                          Not sure about the learning lol

                          Should be fun!

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                          • papa 695
                            Moderator
                            • May 2011
                            • 22788

                            #14
                            Sat down watching Bob, I'd be interested in a Stug GB if you get it started. Never built one before.

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                            • Guest

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bobthestug
                              No need at all to be sorry Pete

                              Many new too me! You can see the Pz IV in the pics

                              Many thanks for posting very interesting photos!
                              Hi your most welcome, just didn't want to gatecrash your your build thread. You're more of an expert on these than I will ever be I've seen the pictures of your library on the subject though saying that I've got four or five books off as well.
                              Pete.

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