SU-122 zvezda

[Jim R]

Hi Dave
That is looking very good. Especially impressive at 1/72. I think that both extremes of weathering have their place although a really dirty, beat up look needs an appropriate dio - image modelling this Battle of the Bulge scene :rolling:

Jim

[Dave Ward]

David,
that's looking rather nice! I have to keep reminding myself this is 1/72! Great work.....
Dave

[scottie3158]

Dave
Lovely looking build mate.

[minitnkr]

Looks good to me. Some dullcote would finish it unless your looking to mud it up..

[David Lovell]

Thanks everyone as I said made a start will update when I've got a bit more done. Dave

[David Lovell]

Looking at this Dave may be I should give 1/72 another go, I enjoyed doing the DUSTY BIN , of any one can remember that and a converted T34/85 in the Israeli / Arab conflict.

Sorry John I missed you there was the dusty bin the mobile german mg pillbox/nest by ace cant say i remember the 34/85. Dave

[JR]

Sorry John I missed you there was the dusty bin the mobile german mg pillbox/nest by ace cant say i remember the 34/85. Dave

Photo PM'D to you Dave.

Interesting point of the 4BO and AK. The first lot I bought was AK11159 Russian green. Didn't think it looked right. Looking again at the list I saw AK11368 Russian 4BO . Is this the one you have or was it the first AK11159.
I did buy the later one , seems ok, but now I'm starting to wonder. Going to have to put two models side by side to check.:nerd:

[David Lovell]

Photo PM'D to you Dave.

Interesting point of the 4BO and AK. The first lot I bought was AK11159 Russian green. Didn't think it looked right. Looking again at the list I saw AK11368 Russian 4BO . Is this the one you have or was it the first AK11159.
I did buy the later one , seems ok, but now I'm starting to wonder. Going to have to put two models side by side to check.:nerd:

Hi John its the 11368 russian 4BO still think its wrong comparing it to other pots ive got claiming to be 4BO ,struggled with it as well had a job to find a suitable thinner most of mine turning it gloopy can't remember what I used in the end tap water I think ,I've gone to the advise I hand out got a problem start with the manufacturers own product so have got hold of AK dedicated 3gen thinner ,not sure I'll rush to use it again ,must say was very impressed with thr MRP paint had it ages never used it ,blimy sprayed straight from the pot ultra smooth great stuff. I like the ordinary mig ammo paints (yellow caps)you can thin the ars out of them and lay them down nice and translucent can't see it happening with 3rd gen but were see.

[outrunner]

That looks great Dave, my hat is doffed to you 1/72 guys.

Andy.

[JR]

Hi John its the 11368 russian 4BO still think its wrong comparing it to other pots ive got claiming to be 4BO ,struggled with it as well had a job to find a suitable thinner most of mine turning it gloopy can't remember what I used in the end tap water I think ,I've gone to the advise I hand out got a problem start with the manufacturers own product so have got hold of AK dedicated 3gen thinner ,not sure I'll rush to use it again ,must say was very impressed with thr MRP paint had it ages never used it ,blimy sprayed straight from the pot ultra smooth great stuff. I like the ordinary mig ammo paints (yellow caps)you can thin the ars out of them and lay them down nice and translucent can't see it happening with 3rd gen but were see.

Dave, I use their thinner, remembering what you said ! :smiling2:
Just been and had a comparison between the Vallejo 4BO that I've sprayed before and the tractor with the AK 3rd Gen. Looking at it with daylight tubes it does seem to be darker. Either that is caused by using a rust primer from AK , normally I'd have used a Vallejo green primer or it is indeed different.

[David Lovell]

Dave, I use their thinner, remembering what you said ! :smiling2:
Just been and had a comparison between the Vallejo 4BO that I've sprayed before and the tractor with the AK 3rd Gen. Looking at it with daylight tubes it does seem to be darker. Either that is caused by using a rust primer from AK , normally I'd have used a Vallejo green primer or it is indeed different.

John as I've said a few times before 4BO bit of a enigma ,I doubt I'll use that one much again preferring the other shades I've got ,at the end of the day filters washes weathering its green , we identify with the vehicle not what shade of green it is. Panzer grey is another one(alright calm down your wake matron I'm just saying)talk about fifty shades of grey once again you identify with the vehicle not the colour, end of the day I dont think we need to lose any sleep it is what it is ,its Russian and its green. Dave

[Dave Ward]

I'm not all that sure where this is going - I'm sure modern makers each have their own recipe for 4BO, but does it really matter? - was there only one manufacturer of 4BO in WWII Soviet Russia? I think not! I wouldn't have thought that adhering strictly to a colour specification was top priority in the drive for production. I reckon tanks came out of the factory in the local version of green, then as soon as the rain/sun/snow did its' work, then they all faded to a fairly uniform version of 4BO. - throw in some dust/dirt, and an overall drab finish will result. Unless you're making a single series of tanks fresh off the production line, then an approximation of 4BO is perfectly valid!
I'm afraid, as I've grown older, I've grown more cynical about 'Authentic' colours. OK, modern paints to F.S, B.S, ISO may be identical, but as soon as you go back to WWII, then it gets more murky. People may point to contemporary paint chips, but who can say that storage/aging/sunlight/temperature/humidity haven't had an effect?
I'm now firmly in the 'near enough is good enough' party as far as colour goes!!
Apologies for the rant..............................
Dave

[adt70hk]

Dave

That really is coming on nicely indeed.

One not built any of there 1/72 AFVs but think I might be doing so in the future having seen this. Keep up the great work.

ATB.

Andrew

[JR]

John as I've said a few times before 4BO bit of a enigma ,I doubt I'll use that one much again preferring the other shades I've got ,at the end of the day filters washes weathering its green , we identify with the vehicle not what shade of green it is. Panzer grey is another one(alright calm down your wake matron I'm just saying)talk about fifty shades of grey once again you identify with the vehicle not the colour, end of the day I dont think we need to lose any sleep it is what it is ,its Russian and its green. Dave

I'm not all that sure where this is going - I'm sure modern makers each have their own recipe for 4BO, but does it really matter? - was there only one manufacturer of 4BO in WWII Soviet Russia? I think not! I wouldn't have thought that adhering strictly to a colour specification was top priority in the drive for production. I reckon tanks came out of the factory in the local version of green, then as soon as the rain/sun/snow did its' work, then they all faded to a fairly uniform version of 4BO. - throw in some dust/dirt, and an overall drab finish will result. Unless you're making a single series of tanks fresh off the production line, then an approximation of 4BO is perfectly valid!
I'm afraid, as I've grown older, I've grown more cynical about 'Authentic' colours. OK, modern paints to F.S, B.S, ISO may be identical, but as soon as you go back to WWII, then it gets more murky. People may point to contemporary paint chips, but who can say that storage/aging/sunlight/temperature/humidity haven't had an effect?
I'm now firmly in the 'near enough is good enough' party as far as colour goes!!
Apologies for the rant..............................
Dave

Of course your both correct, don't think it was a rant Dave, by any means.
Simon T made the same point about differing shades etc , weather, the whole thing. The only reason I picked this up was to get in before Bob turned up and gave me hell :smiling3:

[David Lovell]

Dave

That really is coming on nicely indeed.

One not built any of there 1/72 AFVs but think I might be doing so in the future having seen this. Keep up the great work.

ATB.

Andrew

Andrew many thanks ,these kits are excellent don't doubt the quality and though they say snap fit people may think younger audience or low detail war game far from it ,way ahead of dragon hobby boss trumpeter none of that moulded on tools and tow cables ,it might be snap fit but I've cemented mine also it doesn't just fall together this is no kinder egg its not a no brainer . Idont think you'd be disappointed highly recommend . Dave