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    #31
    Centurion Update May 26

    ........................................

    wow, over a month since the last update!

    sorry about that.

    ...but I had to deal with the Spitfire redraw and the release of the Spitfire Beer truck model.

    So, I'll try to make this update a good one.

    Work has continued behind the scenes, on the Centurion's suspension parts.

    Unfortunately, what I thought was going to be a straightforward component, has turned

    into a very frustrating exercise. Numerous tweaks and changes have slowed down the design

    but the biggest problem is still the fitting of the "tires" to the main suspension wheels.

    I don't know all the names and actual terms for the parts, so please forgive my inaccuracies.

    The Centurion has three main pairs of suspended Axles and Wheels on each side.

    The track is driven and supported at each end by two large Gear Wheels.

    Supporting the upper area of the Track are four main Idler Wheels,

    and two minor Idlers front and rear.

    Here is one the upper Main Idler assemblies. Basically a supporting bracket and two rubber tyred wheels.

    I was going to make these with an axle and rotating wheels, but I changed my mind and kept the

    assembly simpler. Its really not necessary for a static model...and thats the kind of thing the builder

    could change if they wanted to.

    I had a basic idea for the main Axle/Wheel sets and it worked out fine with a few small tweaks.

    This is one of the two outer Suspension units...with pivot limiting linkages.

    (The center suspension unit is only required to pivot a few degrees, so it doesn't have the external linkage)

    Even though this unit is fairly large, I went for simplicity of build and tried to keep the part count to a

    minimum. I went with the simplest method of attaching the Wheels to Axles, and the end result gives

    you rotating wheels (if you want them). Small Hub Caps lock the wheels on to the Axles.

    This is where I ran into the biggest problem with my original design.

    Fitting of the Main Wheel Tyres turned into a frustrating project.

    In fact, I am still not happy with the design and am going to try some more alterations.

    At first, I used two strips, around the wheel rim, to locate each assembled tyre.

    But to keep the tyres fitting tightly to the rim meant I couldn't cleanly get them on to the

    rim (over the locator strips). I tried about 6 different resizes and variations of the tyres to

    make them fit...before giving up. Eventually I settled on one center strip around the rim,

    which the inner and outer tyre can butt up to. This helps locate the tyre, but still leaves

    the outer edges of the tyre very loosely fitted. And you can't easily glue the outer edges

    because the glue will be visible and messy.

    So the tyres in these pictures aren't even glued in place yet.

    To assemble, the Main Suspension Units and Idlers just glue flat to the Hull at the marked locations.

    Not the strongest connection I admit, but there's lot of surface area to glue and once

    all six units are in place, the weight of the tank will be spread out sufficiently.

    After the Units are attached to the Hull, pop on the Wheels and Hub Caps.

    Other than some possible Tyre modifications, I like what I have so far.

    I wish there wasn't so many Wheel Units to assemble!

    But I think I will get them all done first,

    before tackling the minor idlers,

    and then its on to the front and rear Drive Gears.

    The rear Drive Gear will also include the Main Drive output housings.

    And to give you some "scale" sense, heres the model sitting on the side cabinet.

    She's getting bigger...

    Thats it for now.

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    • Guest

      #32
      Just to save on possible future confusion...

      The 6 Small upper wheels are known as Return Rollers

      The large toothed wheels at the rear are the Drive Sprocket

      The large wheel at the front is the Idler Wheel

      And the large paired wheels are the Road Wheels.

      This model just keeps on getting better.

      Keep up the good work.

      Malc.

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      • takeslousyphotos
        • Apr 2013
        • 3900

        #33
        I've just seen this thread and been right through it..........and I am absolutely amazed with the detail and your skill.

        Peter

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        • Guest

          #34
          thanks guys.

          rememal...thanks for the part names...I will try to remember those.

          takeslousy....I just love the pinhead avatar!! I am going to steal it!

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          • takeslousyphotos
            • Apr 2013
            • 3900

            #35
            Originally posted by \
            thanks guys.rememal...thanks for the part names...I will try to remember those.

            takeslousy....I just love the pinhead avatar!! I am going to steal it!
            ............ Steal away.

            Peter

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            • Guest

              #36
              Just a short update...

              works continues on the Centurion Tank...slowly.

              Family issues and other projects have slowed down the work,

              but I try to put in a few hours here and there.

              I have been doing much repetitive cutting and preparing many little parts

              necessary for the Suspension components. This is the only real negative

              aspect to doing Tank models in paper. Lots of duplicate parts that make up

              the drive wheels and tracks, etc.

              Anyway, I have all the suspension units (for main road wheels) finished

              and am installing them now (to the Hull).

              Next up will be assembling the upper return Rollers and all the Road Wheels.

              You may notice a slight colour difference between the earlier installed suspension

              unit (at the rear) and the newly assembled units. This is the problem with not printing

              everything at the same time. However, in this case, I also printed this last batch of

              parts with a lighter ink level. My fault. But to be honest, it is barely noticeable in person.

              I think the camera flash exaggerates the colour difference.

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              • Guest

                #37
                Latest update (June 16) just to keep everyone in the loop.

                And to prove that works continues, slowly, behind the scenes!

                With many repeated parts for the suspension and track support, its a slow build.

                Lots of disks and tubes and strips and stuff to cut out!

                Now I see why you guys love Tank models so much! lol

                Pictured here, some of the parts for the Return Rollers...

                and one of the return Rollers fitted into place.

                I am quite happy with this.

                Even though there are a few turning or rotating parts, the overall assembly is all fixed.

                I am not trying to design a rolling system with moveable track.

                and after some tedious work, I have finally got all the main suspension units (minus the actual Road Wheels),

                and all the upper Return Rollers in place.

                I have also got one of the front (single) Return Rollers installed...just working on the other side now.

                I had some concerns over the front Idler Wheels and the supporting brackets and tensioners.

                But after some experimenting I came up with an acceptable looking assembly.

                I tried to simulate the track tensioner and the pivoting mount for the Idler wheel axle.

                everything is fixed in one position, so there is no real adjustment for the Track.

                I guess I better get the measurements right!

                Idler wheel itself is not complete (no tread) in these photos.

                and thats it for now!

                ...more work tonight!

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                • Guest

                  #38
                  and, finished up the front Idler Wheel.

                  I'm not completely happy with it, but its acceptable.

                  Theres a lot of parts to assemble...not difficult, just a bit complicated.

                  And you have to cut out all the little ribs and glue them in place,

                  so its a bit tedious and hard on the eyes.

                  I tried a couple of different simpler versions, but at this scale, a certain level of

                  detail is required...which just serves to complicate the construction.

                  The mounting is a little wobbly too...but I won't know how wobbly until I

                  try to fit a Track. So, for now, I am going to finish up all the other parts.

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                  • Guest

                    #39
                    this is in paper aarrggghhhhhh,looks fantastic so far,i cant even make a water bomb out of paper lol(or a paper aeroplane that flies upright lol)

                    mobear

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                    • Guest

                      #40
                      I`m loving this.

                      Although it looks to me as if the adjusting bolt for the track is angled down when it should be horizontal to the ground.

                      Keep up the good work.

                      Malc.

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                      • Guest

                        #41
                        yes, you are correct.

                        This is my first design, from which I have already made a few changes.

                        Every part and assembly usually gets at least one test build to find the

                        problems and make whatever tweaks are necessary.

                        I am currently trying to work out an effective Track (in paper).

                        The goal, as always, is to combine effective with simplified construction.

                        I have designed, built and then redesigned Track links four times so far! lol

                        And I'm just starting on my fifth test part design!

                        The tensioner threaded part, for example, is way too thick (in diameter)

                        and I have narrowed it up.

                        I have also changed the angle of the upper part of the mounting plate, including

                        where it connects with the track tensioner adjusting bolt, so it should change

                        the angle of the part to a more horizontal position.

                        I'll check everything when I build the part for the opposite side.

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                        • Guest

                          #42
                          Its been a while, so I think an update is in order.

                          Finally got the Main Drive housings sorted out...wasn't as straight forward as I had imagined...

                          and I am currently finishing up the Main drive Gears.

                          Only two Drive Gears (right and left) but each of those have two toothed Gears.

                          So a bunch more discs and rings to layer and cut out...combined with all the disc, strips and rings

                          that make up all the Drive Wheels!

                          Anyone who has built a Tank model, knows that there is a tedious part to the build

                          when you have to deal with Drive Wheels and the Tracks.

                          It often involves a LOT of repetitive cutting of discs, rings and wheel parts and small Track link parts.

                          I haven't gone back to the track work yet...I'm still stuck on the drive Wheels and such!

                          Phew!...its exhausting. I find I do a little bit each night. Maybe an hour, maybe 2 or 3.

                          But I have decided not to complicate things...

                          I will finish up all these Wheels before moving on to the Tracks or anything else.

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                          • flyjoe180
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 12407
                            • Joe
                            • Earth

                            #43
                            Super work, hard to believe this is all constructed from card and paper.

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                            • takeslousyphotos
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 3900

                              #44
                              I am really enjoying watching the progress on this........ Truly amazing.

                              ........ If it was me (although 100% for sure I wouldn't even attempt it) ....... I'd have screwed the lot up and thrown it in the bin way way before now.

                              Thanks for sharing it.

                              Peter

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                              • Guest

                                #45
                                Got the Main Drive Units installed last night.

                                Had to tweak the length of the Hub centers a little (in each Drive Gear).

                                Still sorting out the actual Gear thicknesses and tooth spacing

                                ...and the file still needs a couple of minor adjustments.

                                It will be easier at this point to adjust the Track design

                                (since I have not done any more work on the Track parts as of yet.)



                                Kind of jumpin' the gun here...but I was curious about how things looked!

                                Keep in mind...other side only has two Road Wheels in place, no Axle caps,

                                and missing one front Return Roller.

                                There are also no Treads on any of the Road Wheels.

                                (Treads are gonna take me another week to do!)

                                Its getting harder to photograph! Its so big!

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