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  • GerryW
    • Feb 2021
    • 1757

    #46
    Never dreamed that you could get this level of detail from 3D printing and to be honest the only experience I've had with the process has left me completely underwhelmed, this is a relevation.

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    • minitnkr
      Charter Rabble member
      • Apr 2018
      • 7538
      • Paul
      • Dayton, OH USA

      #47
      Beautifully executed.

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      • Panzerwrecker
        • Mar 2022
        • 578
        • Los
        • Wales, UK

        #48
        Originally posted by GerryW
        Never dreamed that you could get this level of detail from 3D printing and to be honest the only experience I've had with the process has left me completely underwhelmed, this is a relevation.
        It is frankly outstanding the level of detail that can be acheived but it also immediately apparent that recreating stuff like this perfectly to scale means that even in 1/35 many of the parts are extremely small and fragile. I would love to be able to build this in 1/16th. I think that is possible a scale where I could acheive much better results with this medium simply due to my random bouts of clumsiness and crappy eyesight :smiling:

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        • Panzerwrecker
          • Mar 2022
          • 578
          • Los
          • Wales, UK

          #49
          Originally posted by minitnkr
          Beautifully executed.
          Cheers paul. Glad you like it

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          • Panzerwrecker
            • Mar 2022
            • 578
            • Los
            • Wales, UK

            #50
            Progress report on the little trailer. First, two wet VMS satin varnish coats and then an Abteilung oil pin wash.

            Managed to get a few accessories up to the same stage. Plenty of oil clean up/blending still required.

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            • Panzerwrecker
              • Mar 2022
              • 578
              • Los
              • Wales, UK

              #51
              Before I start any serious weathering I figured it might be a good idea to get the self propelled Flak out that would be pulling it.

              Both have been painted in Mission Models acrylics and allthough both received a seperate final homebrew lightened mix of the 'late Dunkelgelb' they are not a bad match TBH. I did add a drop of Tamiya clear yellow to the Sd.kfz.7's last layer of matt varnish coat in places just to liven up the overall finish. You can see the difference between the two in this repect.

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              In the next session I plan to weather the tyres and the underside of the mudguards with some dust effects so I can get the wheels mounted.

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              • Code no 10
                • Jun 2022
                • 130

                #52
                Amazing! The detail on the build is absolutely mind-boggling, Los.
                May I know what resolution a printer should be set to, in order to produce such fine parts?

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                • Panzerwrecker
                  • Mar 2022
                  • 578
                  • Los
                  • Wales, UK

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Code no 10
                  Amazing! The detail on the build is absolutely mind-boggling, Los.
                  May I know what resolution a printer should be set to, in order to produce such fine parts?
                  Thanks for the kind words Hong.

                  I had it printed out for me but if you check out the designers online page it should tell you. https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/vari...nition-trailer

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                  • Panzerwrecker
                    • Mar 2022
                    • 578
                    • Los
                    • Wales, UK

                    #54
                    As the weather has been way too hot in the mancave (32 degrees C) for any paintwork over the last week I figured it might well be worth starting on a base instead. I had always intended the vehicles to be displayed on a North Italian mountain road and had already sketched out some ideas. Now to put it into practice.

                    As for materials, Hobbycraft in the UK currently make an excellent product for diorama purposes. They are called 'Art Panels' and although they look like a deep picture frame with a removable rear cardboard cover, it has a solid integrated wooden base. This makes them ideal for using heavier constructed items that may include resin or plaster as the rear panel does not require any additional reinforcing. This size just squeezes into my display cabinet too.:smiling2:


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                    My main inspiration was this photo. It shows a road surface that hasnโ€™t been resurfaced for some time and the walls look suitably worn in places. Rockfall and water had also carved out new contours down the mountain side. I imagine there were many such roads that required navigating whilst retreating northwards towards the Brenner pass in 1945.

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                    Styrofoam is used to construct the main body of the base. As this in effect will be on a mountainside this will measure around 20cm above the frame at its highest point. Although I would love a foam cutter, I simply donโ€™t have the space at present, so a large and deep razor saw, and knife are employed for now. The edges are a bit rough & ready, but it will all be framed neatly in Balsa wood.

                    Unfortunately, I didnโ€™t have one block that could be cut to fit inside the frame, so a few pieces were glued together. PVA glue will work for this purpose, but I like the reassuring adhesive qualities of UHU POR for the main groundworks. PVA is great for everything else.

                    After carving the Styrofoam to get the basic contours Sculptamold will be used to add further layers to more define the surfaces. I plan to cut up a mountainside grass matt for the steep sided areas and will add additional scenic product vegetation. In the pic below which shows similar sized vehicles, you can see I have carved the upper stetch of road far too narrow. This has now been reworked and continuously placing the vehicles on the base will help aid final placement. Having them sat on the bend is also going to be tricky in having the halftrack sit naturally and it might be that it will end up 'cocking' its front wheel in the air.

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                    Turning to the retaining walls which lined the road I used some ref images of Italian walls for guidance. As for the actual stones I was going to try two methods. One was with real stones and the other to carve them out of Styrofoam. Getting a sense of scale is important and looking at progress so far, the roughly carved examples appear to work much better IMO. I might replace the real stones yet once I complete the two other carved sections. I still need to soften the appearance of all the rock joints and hide a visible line between two glued blocks on the lower wall.

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                    I also carved into the mountainside next to the uppermost wall to show damage by falling rocks and flowing water. Again, this still requires more work. The tops of the walls have yet to be worked on. They will have damaged top stones which I need to make out of thinly sliced foam. Another far easier process with a foam cutter:tongue-out3:

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                    Critique is most welcome as this is my first attempt at any actual carving with foam.


                    Los
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                    • Neil Merryweather
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Dec 2018
                      • 5185
                      • London

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Panzerwrecker
                      As the weather has been way too hot in the mancave (32 degrees C) for any paintwork over the last week I figured it might well be worth starting on a base instead. I had always intended the vehicles to be displayed on a North Italian mountain road and had already sketched out some ideas. Now to put it into practice.

                      As for materials, Hobbycraft in the UK currently make an excellent product for diorama purposes. They are called 'Art Panels' and although they look like a deep picture frame with a removable rear cardboard cover, it has solid integrated wooden base. This makes them ideal for using heavier constructed items that may include resin or plaster as the rear panel does not require any additional reinforcing. This size just squeezes into my display cabinet too.:smiling2:


                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1182765[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]n1182766[/ATTACH]

                      My main inspiration was this photo. It shows a road surface that hasnโ€™t been resurfaced for some time and the walls look suitably worn in places. Rockfall and water had also carved out new contours down the mountain side. I imagine there were many such roads that required navigating whilst retreating northwards towards the Brenner pass in 1945.

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1182776[/ATTACH]

                      Styrofoam is used to construct the main body of the base. As this in effect will be on a mountainside this will measure around 20cm above the frame at its highest point. Although I would love a foam cutter, I simply donโ€™t have the space at present, so a large and deep razor saw, and knife are employed for now. The edges are a bit rough & ready, but it will all be framed neatly in Balsa wood.

                      Unfortunately, I didnโ€™t have one block that could be cut to fit inside the frame, so a few pieces were glued together. PVA glue will work for this purpose, but I like the reassuring adhesive qualities of UHU POR for the main groundworks. PVA is great for everything else.

                      After carving the Styrofoam until I had the basic contours Sculptamold is used to add further layers to more define the road surface. I plan to cut up a mountainside grass matt for the steep sided areas and will add additional scenic product vegetation. In the pic below which shows similar sized vehicles, you can see I have carved the upper stetch of road far too narrow. This has now been reworked and continuously placing the vehicles on the base will help with aid final placement. Having them sat on the bend is also going to be tricky in having the halftrack sit naturally and it might be that it will end up 'cocking' its front wheel in the air.

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1182779[/ATTACH]

                      Turning to the retaining walls which lined the road I used some ref images of Italian walls for guidance. As for the actual stones I was going to try two methods. One was with real stones and the other to carve them out of Styrofoam. Getting a sense of scale is important and looking at progress so far, the roughly carved examples appear to work much better IMO. I might replace the real stones yet once I complete the two other carved sections. I still need to soften the appearance of all the rock joints and hide a visible line between two glued blocks on the lower wall.

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1182777[/ATTACH]

                      I also carved into the mountainside next to the uppermost wall to show damage by falling rocks and flowing water. Again, this still requires more work. The tops of the walls have yet to be worked on. They will have damaged top stones on which I need to make out of thinly sliced foam. Another far easier process with a foam cutter:tongue-out3:

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1182772[/ATTACH]

                      Critique is most welcome as this is my first attempt at any actual carving with foam.


                      Los
                      Great work ,Los, that looks the business!
                      I have a similar project in mind for myself, but at my current rate of production I won't get to it for a few years! So I will be watching closely for inspiration.

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                      • Panzerwrecker
                        • Mar 2022
                        • 578
                        • Los
                        • Wales, UK

                        #56
                        Cheers Neil. Im really pushing myself on this one to get it finished for Telford!

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                        • Andy the Sheep
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1864
                          • Andrea
                          • North Eastern Italy

                          #57
                          Los, hoping to be of some use, here are some pics (for discussion use only) of the National Road 12 that leads to Brenner Pass as it was
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                          and a pic of a Nashorn in the alps (but I think it is referred to July - September 1943)
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                          At that time even the main National Roads (Strada Statale or S.S.) were dirt or macadam roads.
                          Here is a picture that depicts how the Italian mountain roads were built. In the left lower corner you can see the difference between the old fashion stone wall and the new one (stone-lookalike concrete).
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                          Just in case you decide to insert some road signs, the German Army in May 1945 was withdrawing mainly using S.S. 12 towards Tyrol (Innsbruck) through Brenner Pass and S.S. 13 towards Karnten (Klagenfurt) through Tarvis pass. The secondary road net leading North, at that time (there was still snow) were not really a choice for an Army.

                          Andrea

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                          • Panzerwrecker
                            • Mar 2022
                            • 578
                            • Los
                            • Wales, UK

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Andy the Sheep
                            Los, hoping to be of some use, here are some pics (for discussion use only) of the National Road 12 that leads to Brenner Pass as it was
                            [ATTACH]461031[/ATTACH][ATTACH]461032[/ATTACH]

                            and a pic of a Nashorn in the alps (but I think it is referred to July - September 1943)
                            [ATTACH]461033[/ATTACH]
                            At that time even the main National Roads (Strada Statale or S.S.) were dirt or macadam roads.
                            Here is a picture that depicts how the Italian mountain roads were built. In the left lower corner you can see the difference between the old fashion stone wall and the new one (stone-lookalike concrete).
                            [ATTACH]461035[/ATTACH]
                            Just in case you decide to insert some road signs, the German Army in May 1945 was withdrawing mainly using S.S. 12 towards Tyrol (Innsbruck) through Brenner Pass and S.S. 13 towards Karnten (Klagenfurt) through Tarvis pass. The secondary road net leading North, at that time (there was still snow) were not really a choice for an Army.

                            Andrea
                            Wow! fantastic ref pics Andrea. Much appreciated. I was wondering whether the top of the walls would have been initially capped. As well as old images I have been wandering the mountain roads via Google Earth and although the roads are now updated with modern materials it still gives an idea of what the terrain is like. Not sure I could warrant a road sign without any visable junction but you never know:smiling3:

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                            • Guest

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Andy the Sheep
                              macadam roads.
                              With that, do you mean true macadam roads that consist only of different grades of stones, or do you mean the type that includes tar to hold them together? (I ask because in Belgium, it means the latter, but not everyone might realise that โ€” or that it can also mean a road of loose stones, for that matter.)

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                              • scottie3158
                                SMF Supporters
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 14201
                                • Paul
                                • Holbeach

                                #60
                                Los,
                                Outstanding work mate the detail on the trailer is superb. The base will really set this great build off.

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