What next.

[JR]

Hi back again, going to have to get a new computer, this one is so slow now and old, bit like the owner. The dreaded W10 is looming. why they can't leave things alone , I was quite happy with 95 until I had a new model with 7 .

Thanks for the numerous suggestions from all you all, Mike , Jakko , Paul E & Paul aka Scottie and Jim.


Going to have a think, and have a look into a couple of boxes before the decision is reached.
I shall be back later , with some reasons then .
John.

[stillp]

The dreaded W10 is looming. why they can't leave things alone , I was quite happy with 95 until I had a new model with 7 .

You're lucky if you missed 8! 10 is not too bad, but needs a lot of space.

Another vote here for the flamethrower!

Pete

[SimonT]

I use Apple at home as grew to hate Windows but using Win7 and Win10 at work (we missed out 8) and Win10 does seem pretty stable

[prichrd1]

Hang on a minute - is this a model making forum or the I.T. Class of '78?
(That's 1878!!) :smiling3: :smiling3::smiling3::smiling3:

John - I say build them all, as Steve Jones says above - one long street scene, abandoned vehicles/ tanks/ guns/ civilians/ soldiers/ wrecked houses - you may even have space for the Ann Summers shop next to the burnt out bakery!!

Paul.
:flushed:

[BattleshipBob]

I spy something beginning with, now what is it?? A,f,h t,j,n, no its a big fat S

[Gary MacKenzie]

PAK 44 .......

[Mickc1440]

Something Russian???

[prichrd1]

John,
Joking aside I'll go along with Gary - PAK44.

Paul.
:smiling3:

[JR]

Good evening, spent some time thinking about the suggestions and seehave come up with what I think my be interesting idea.

Would probably be quite a large dio, in length and contents. I've done a large street scene before as Leningrad one.

Don't want the buildings to be the same, great stone clad ones but more industrial looking and slightly down market.

The scene as mentioned above, plenty of debris, bricks etc, the general destruction that a street battle brings.
the main characters


I was going to include the PAK 40 , but
My military advisor tells me that it wasn't used in street fighting but that SG canon was
Do the Russians will consist of the SpG and the JS Stalin, one being knocked out, the other squaring up to the canon.
Of course there will need to be figures as well, so lots to think about looks like it could take some time.
John
Any thoughts more than welcome .

[SimonT]

Hi John,
There are pictures out there of Pak40’s in streets.....

Pretty sure that mortar is modern French though so wouldn’t use that

[minitnkr]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is, I think Julie did a thing at it's release.
There are also pics of PAK 43s in street fighting. I'm sure PAK43s & 44s were placed where their range advantage was useful when possible. I'm also pretty sure what ever was at hand was used wherever. Especially where heavy tanks & SPGs were attacking. PaulE

[Guest]

There are pictures out there of Pak40’s in streets.....

But John has a 12,8-cm-PaK 44, not a 7,5-cm-PaK 40.

Pretty sure that mortar is modern French though so wouldn’t use that

It is, you can hang it behind all kinds of post-war vehicles (my preference would be a YP-408 PWMR) but it’s not correct for the Second World War. I think John is confusing it with this weapon:

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Also available from Zvezda, by the way. As an alternative, this one is also an option:

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since the German weapon was an almost 1:1 copy of the Russian one anyway.

[SimonT]

“I was going to include the PAK 40”

I read the text

[Allen Dewire]

Ok Guys,

The PAK 44 was a 128mm gun and was produced by Krupp. Both Krupp and Rheinmetall built a few carriages for a towed version of this weapon with hopes of winning a contract for production. There was only one real drawback to the whole plan. Both the Krupp and Rheinmetall guns with carriages were too heavy for use as a towed piece. They both came in around 11 tons and only a 12 or 18 ton half track could tow them. The 128mm guns were used in a self propelled vehicle we know as the Jagdtiger. The 128mm could penetrate 155mm of steel at 3000 meters, but in a constant late war retreating battle these 128 mm PAKs would be almost worthless. The few prototypes built could have seen combat in April 45 in or around the areas where the factories were and/or if they even had munitions for them. In the battle for Berlin, I doubt it at all...

The 88mm PAK 43 was the major anti-tank gun both mounted on vehicles (Nashorn), Jagdpanthers, Waffenträgers (a few) and as towed or emplaced pieces. As towed pieces they were also very heavy and weighed in at 3,7 tons. The major drawback besides the weight was the length of the barrel which came in at 6,2 meters long. These were supposed to be towed by the SWS Half track, but at this point in the war, the Germans used what they had at hand.

I can't comment on the mortar, but it does look too modern and the two pics of the 12 cm's above are good. I am basing my report here on the following book,

Very informative, well researched and I don't think I would want to be in this troop of soldiers. They were well trained, very dedicated, but no way in hell would I want to go up against a KV-1 with a 37mm PAK36/37...…..

Hope this clears up any confusion about John's project.

Prost
Allen

[Guest]

“I was going to include the PAK 40”

I read the text

/me reads back

Oh yeah, he did say that. I noticed the PaK 44 in the photos