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[scottie3158]

Paul,
I like the idea and will watch it all come together.

[minitnkr]

My son mentioned that at his work when winching they stay in the vehicle with the hood/bonnet up so if a cable snaps it's less likely to decapitate someone. I recall reading that the German WWII maint/recovery dudes were prohibited from walking underneath turrets being lifted. This was illustrated by a posed photo of the whole team underneath a suspended Tiger I turret :smiling2:. PaulE

[Guest]

The amount of "professionals " you see climbing over cables or standing in within striking distance of a cable amazes me.

I think this is a bit of a modern attitude that may not have been present in the Second World War, or if it was a rule then already, was probably more likely to be ignored than it would be today.

A related thing that’s very obvious in films etc. when you know it, is that actors these days all get firearms safety instructions, meaning you’ll always see them with fingers off the trigger unless they’re about to fire. This is accurate in, say, a film about Western troops in the Iraq War, but for movies set in the more distant past …? Firearms instructors please look away now.

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I guess what I’m trying to say is that if you want a historically representative model, you may need to ignore some rules you’ve been taught as if they’re universal standards

[JR]

My son mentioned that at his work when winching they stay in the vehicle with the hood/bonnet up so if a cable snaps it's less likely to decapitate someone. I recall reading that the German WWII maint/recovery dudes were prohibited from walking underneath turrets being lifted. This was illustrated by a posed photo of the whole team underneath a suspended Tiger I turret :smiling2:. PaulE

Paul, he is so right .Having witnessed a 16 linker chain snapping when we were in training I can vouch how far the winch rope could fly, it went passed the Scammell with a thud as it snaked over the cab and the old Conqueror tank shot back into the lake .

[Steve Jones]

Do you need any research photos Paul as I have a few in the collection?

[minitnkr]

Luvsome, fire away. PaulE

[Steve Jones]

[Guest]

There’s a diorama: an M578 recovering a C15TA armoured truck on top of a German bunker from the Second World War. I’m guessing this is Dutch Army, given both those vehicles were in use there at some point and German bunkers might just be found on Dutch military installations.

[Mini Me]

Like the layout of your dio. Paul ! I read somewhere it was required to use three Famos to recover one Tiger but I'm quite certain that rule was roundly ignored, based on what was available at the time. Look forward to further developments. Rick H.

[minitnkr]

Thanks Steve & Rick. At a seminar on Bergepanther design & usage, it was noted that the armored recovery vehicles were used to recover armor under fire or observation to safe areas for Famos to take over. Famos then were used to tow recovered armor to the rear maint. depots for repair. Topography had a lot to do with how many Famos &/or armored vehicles were required to tow Tigers to the rear. Because Bergepanthers and Famos were so prized, they were not risked unnecessarily. PaulE

[Steve Jones]

I have a photo of three Famos pulling a Tiger

[minitnkr]

Thanks Steve. Some great shots. Love the view slit film. Is the photo secret, or can you share it? PaulE

[Mini Me]

Hi Paul, will you be installing a "spade" on your Bergei or use it as is? BTW, I found Mr. Dewire's reference to your geometrical "snow scape" quite humorous! Old Hawkeye doesn't miss much.
Rick
H.

[Steve Jones]

Not at all Paul. Its a well known photo. Sadly I cant find it anywhere :smiling5: It was a Tiger being towed in North Africa. I will keep searching. In the meantime here are some more Famo pics

[Allen Dewire]

Hey Rick,

I do miss lots my friend and I always love Paul's stuff. It is amazing what you guys accomplish in this tiny scale. Anyway, I thought I would give Moses Paul a few pics of the early Bergepanther with winch and spade. There were also trials that had to be made with the use of tow bars and lots of driver training too...

Here is the pic that Stevie was probably talking about, but I could be wrong,

I am surprised they hung a warning sign on the back of the Tiger!!!

The Bergepanther was built by Henschel using the plans supplied by MAN. MAN was responsible for the Panther program overall and the first Bergepanther built by Henschel was sent to MAN in Nürnberg for tests and trials. Here, they evaluated and made improvements in the design. Here is what the first Bergepanther with winch and spade looked like,

Here shown with the spade in the lowered position and then in the raised position,
Next up are the trial runs of the Bergepanther using a tow bar. MAN have added another towing pintle above the normal one. These tests were made in the winter of '43 - '44 at the test area in Hainberg near Nürnberg. Notice the snow Paul,

On normal, mostly flat terrain or on roads, it was no problem. A close up of the tow bar and pintle. But,

This was not a perfect solution for towing a vehicle off-road. The lower pintle was mounted too low on the chassis to be used. The higher pintle had a problem on uneven terrain with the tow bar binding on the spade,

This, in turn, caused the spade to bind up and it couldn't be lowered with the winch cable like it was supposed too. So Paul, if you decide to add the spade or a few details, I hope these pictures help a bit along with the useless information………..

Prost
Allen

PS, MAN is the Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg for those who wanted to know!!!!