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  • Bortig the Viking
    SMF Supporters
    • Mar 2019
    • 780

    #1

    Soldering

    Hi, can anyone tell me if I need to be aware of anything regarding soldering. My big locomotive, which consists of all materials, needs some soldering during the build and then some painting, I'm assuming prime then paint, but want to check this is right before I do it. It's going to be a big old thing, 49cm but looks interesting learning new skills as its metal and wood plus some obligatory plastic. Here's hoping I can do it justice.
  • AlanG
    • Dec 2008
    • 6296

    #2
    Be very aware of the fumes. They really are not good for you. Cannot remember the exact gas but suffice to say that a mask and ventilation is needed

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    • Peter Gillson
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      • Apr 2018
      • 2594

      #3
      I'm sure there are guys who can help you. for me, soldering is a dark art I have never mastered. good luck.

      peter

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      • Bortig the Viking
        SMF Supporters
        • Mar 2019
        • 780

        #4
        Originally posted by AlanG
        Be very aware of the fumes. They really are not good for you. Cannot remember the exact gas but suffice to say that a mask and ventilation is needed
        Thanks for that.

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        • Bortig the Viking
          SMF Supporters
          • Mar 2019
          • 780

          #5
          Originally posted by Peter Gillson
          I'm surd there areguys who can help you. for me, soldering is a dark art I have never mastered. good luck.

          peter
          Thanks for that.

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          • Guest

            #6
            Just been watching James May reassemble a portable record player. He says you need three hands to solder properly.

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            • Steven000
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              • Aug 2018
              • 2827
              • Steven
              • Belgium

              #7
              ... and don't burn yourself oop:

              I used to solder a lot of electronics, I blew very subtle when adding solder to avoid being with my head into the fumes.

              And don't 'move' things the first seconds when the solder is cooling down, that gives a 'matt' finish (means less strong connection)

              Goodluck :thumb2:

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              • stillp
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                • Nov 2016
                • 8093
                • Pete
                • Rugby

                #8
                Mark, what are you soldering? Soft soldering or silver soldering? I assume soft soldering, using a tin-based solder - it used to be about 60%tin, 40% lead, but now lead is known to be dangerous there are other metals used to replace it now.
                The first thing is that the surfaces to be joined must be clean bright metal, no fingerprints or grease. Second, remember that the workpiece should melt the solder, don't just blob the solder on with the iron. Ideally you want the pieces to be held together before you solder them - this might be by taping them to a tile or just putting weights on them, again on a heat-proof backing such as a tile. Keep the tip of the iron clean. Not sure what else to say really!
                Pete

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                • Tim Marlow
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                  • Apr 2018
                  • 18901
                  • Tim
                  • Somerset UK

                  #9
                  Hi Mark
                  have a look at the Carr’s products now owned by Phoenix Paints. There are many ways to approach this but I would recommend 145 solder with liquid flux. Don’t try and use electrical solder, you’ll drive yourself mad.....
                  also, before priming scrub the model with meths to remove solder flux residue.

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                  • Bortig the Viking
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Mar 2019
                    • 780

                    #10
                    Thanks guys, boy is this model going to be fun, its soft solder I'm going to do, I think patience is going to be key.

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                    • Tim Marlow
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                      • Apr 2018
                      • 18901
                      • Tim
                      • Somerset UK

                      #11
                      One other hint...
                      if you drop the iron, don’t try to catch it.....been there, done that, and it really hurts.....

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                      • Bortig the Viking
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Mar 2019
                        • 780

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                        One other hint...
                        if you drop the iron, don’t try to catch it.....been there, done that, and it really hurts.....
                        Ouch, you lot are starting to scare me LOL

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                        • Guest

                          #13
                          Hello Mark,
                          Lots of good advice given above.
                          I use a variable temperature electric iron and low temp solder. things to remember is jig up the parts if you can, I solder on a thick smooth kitchen floor tile, that allows me to draw angles if I need to and I have also secured two 6 inch metal rules held down with double sided carpet tape as a permanent 90 degree.
                          I also use a torch and Carrs solder paste which you can brush on or apply with a tooth pick depending on the area to be covered.
                          The other item is have a look on you tube at a guy called Plasmo, he does a tutorial just for beginners, and there is not the usual 24 hours of waffle before hand, you should be able to pick up a lot from him.
                          Do not be worried, get some old brass etch and use the video above and get some practice in before commiting to the real job.
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                          All of the etch brass bar armour on this Leopard was soldered with a torch and solder paste using the toothpic method, and was the first time I had used a torch.
                          Hope this helps,
                          Mike.

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                          • JR
                            • May 2015
                            • 18273

                            #14
                            Mark .
                            The best of luck :thumb2:
                            I'm currently banned from such things due to fire risk !

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                            • stillp
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                              • Nov 2016
                              • 8093
                              • Pete
                              • Rugby

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MikeC

                              I also use a torch
                              Mike, which torch do you use? I used to have a nice Ronson one, but it fell apart.
                              Pete

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