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  • Gern
    SMF Supporters
    • May 2009
    • 9217

    #16
    With any seam, I always run some Extra Thin along it after it's started to set. The idea is to make sure that the joint is fully glued all along its length. If it isn't glued together you'll have a gap all the way through the thickness of the plastic which won't sand away.

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    • BattleshipBob
      SMF Supporters
      • Apr 2018
      • 6792
      • Bob
      • Cardiff

      #17
      Originally posted by Tim Marlow
      Hi Bob. On a curved surface the best way to sand a seam is to sand wet at 45 degrees to that seam. That will minimise the possibility of thruppenny bitting the part, ending up with flat spots. It’s standard practice in model railway loco building to ensure the boiler remains round.
      Your idea of marking the seam before work is a good one, but if there is an appreciable cavity in the seam I would fill it first.
      Hi Tim, good advice, thank you!
      Originally posted by Gern
      With any seam, I always run some Extra Thin along it after it's started to set. The idea is to make sure that the joint is fully glued all along its length. If it isn't glued together you'll have a gap all the way through the thickness of the plastic which won't sand away.
      Good idea, thanks very much!

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      • Tim Marlow
        SMF Supporters
        • Apr 2018
        • 18906
        • Tim
        • Somerset UK

        #18
        Forgot to say, the sanding medium (wet or dry or what have you) should be fixed to a hard flat backing. This will ensure it takes off high spots but does not generate hollows.

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        • JR
          • May 2015
          • 18273

          #19
          ?:smiling3::thumb2:
          Hammer , fire , or a liberal coating of 4BO.

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          • BattleshipBob
            SMF Supporters
            • Apr 2018
            • 6792
            • Bob
            • Cardiff

            #20
            Hopefully finished the funnels

            You can still see the remains of the sprue attachments, never quite sure if these need to be totally removed?
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            • boatman
              SMF Supporters
              • Nov 2018
              • 14477
              • christopher
              • NORFOLK UK

              #21
              YES Bob m8 sand them down
              chris

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              • Tim Marlow
                SMF Supporters
                • Apr 2018
                • 18906
                • Tim
                • Somerset UK

                #22
                Looks good Bob. I’d say the sprue scars only need to be removed if they show under the paint.

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                • BattleshipBob
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 6792
                  • Bob
                  • Cardiff

                  #23
                  Originally posted by boatman
                  YES Bob m8 sand them down
                  chris
                  Cheers Chris, not long for f an s!!
                  Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                  Looks good Bob. I’d say the sprue scars only need to be removed if they show under the paint.
                  Thanks Tim, no ridge so will prime and fingers crossed!

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                  • Jim R
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 15698
                    • Jim
                    • Shropshire

                    #24
                    Hi Bob
                    Lots of interesting ideas and approaches to the issue. When a part is removed from the sprue, by whatever method you use, the plastic around the attachment point often gets stressed. You can sand back the attachment point nib left until it is perfectly smooth but the stressed area may still show. That is one reason why I use a primer coat - it show whether the area is ready for paint or needs further sanding or filling. As Tim says ....
                    Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                    I’d say the sprue scars only need to be removed if they show under the paint.
                    Jim

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                    • wasdale32
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 1115
                      • Mark

                      #25
                      Hi Bob

                      The IPMS Seam scraper (#1) ( Products – Seam Tools – IPMS (UK) (ipmsuk.org) ) is a good investment for scraping seams on curved surfaces

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                      • zuludog
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Mar 2015
                        • 239

                        #26
                        I don't make ships so I have never needed to sand a funnel.
                        But I do make planes, and sand things like bombs and rockets

                        Usually when you sand the joint or moulding marks of those you obtain a good circular cross section, which would be a circular or a sort of oval section for a funnel You might need a bit of filler or Mr Surfacer to fill any small gaps but it should still line up OK
                        However, sometimes the two halves of a bomb are offset so the only way to obtain a smooth joint line would be to sand off so much plastic that you end up with a flat surface instead of a continuation of the round one

                        In this case I would roughly sand the joint and any flash, then fill the line & gap with filler or a piece of stretched sprue & filler, which would require more sanding & shaping to restore the cross section of the funnel, bomb, or whatever
                        So if your funnel is bad, try that, and check with a coat of primer before while you still have decent access, before complete assembly

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                        • BattleshipBob
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 6792
                          • Bob
                          • Cardiff

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Jim R
                          Hi Bob
                          Lots of interesting ideas and approaches to the issue. When a part is removed from the sprue, by whatever method you use, the plastic around the attachment point often gets stressed. You can sand back the attachment point nib left until it is perfectly smooth but the stressed area may still show. That is one reason why I use a primer coat - it show whether the area is ready for paint or needs further sanding or filling. As Tim says ....

                          Jim
                          Thanks Jim, will so soon after primer!
                          Originally posted by wasdale32
                          Hi Bob

                          The IPMS Seam scraper (#1) ( Products – Seam Tools – IPMS (UK) (ipmsuk.org) ) is a good investment for scraping seams on curved surfaces

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                          Thats interesting!
                          Originally posted by zuludog
                          I don't make ships so I have never needed to sand a funnel.
                          But I do make planes, and sand things like bombs and rockets

                          Usually when you sand the joint or moulding marks of those you obtain a good circular cross section, which would be a circular or a sort of oval section for a funnel You might need a bit of filler or Mr Surfacer to fill any small gaps but it should still line up OK
                          However, sometimes the two halves of a bomb are offset so the only way to obtain a smooth joint line would be to sand off so much plastic that you end up with a flat surface instead of a continuation of the round one

                          In this case I would roughly sand the joint and any flash, then fill the line & gap with filler or a piece of stretched sprue & filler, which would require more sanding & shaping to restore the cross section of the funnel, bomb, or whatever
                          So if your funnel is bad, try that, and check with a coat of primer before while you still have decent access, before complete assembly
                          Many thanks for the advice, appreciated

                          Bob

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                          • wasdale32
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 1115
                            • Mark

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Bobthestug
                            Thanks Jim, will so soon after primer!

                            Thats interesting!

                            Many thanks for the advice, appreciated

                            Bob
                            It's great for restoring gun barrels too

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                            • Airborne01
                              • Mar 2021
                              • 3976
                              • Steve
                              • Essex

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Jim R
                              Hi Bob
                              Lots of interesting ideas and approaches to the issue. When a part is removed from the sprue, by whatever method you use, the plastic around the attachment point often gets stressed. You can sand back the attachment point nib left until it is perfectly smooth but the stressed area may still show. That is one reason why I use a primer coat - it show whether the area is ready for paint or needs further sanding or filling. As Tim says ....

                              Jim
                              I concur Commander!!

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                              • BattleshipBob
                                SMF Supporters
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 6792
                                • Bob
                                • Cardiff

                                #30
                                Originally posted by wasdale32
                                It's great for restoring gun barrels too
                                Just ordered, £6 inc p an p, worth a try!

                                Will feedback when i get it, thanks again

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