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  • Tim Marlow
    SMF Supporters
    • Apr 2018
    • 18931
    • Tim
    • Somerset UK

    #16
    Part two…..
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    This one dates from 2015 and is completely based on acrylics. It is a very good primer, despite the title. It works through all figure types, including horses, and works through most of the colour groups. I still refer to it for most figures. It has good basic recipes for hair and skin…..
    Most of the techniques are still applicable to slightly larger figures, and there are a couple of bigger figures SBSd inside as well. Only thing is, the majority is based around historicals rather the WW2 stuff…..

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    These are a little different. The figures on the cover are 28mm, which shows the quality of the work. They are reference works with techniques included. The meat of the book is the painting notes for about twenty five miniatures of period within the title. They include full paint call outs in Vallejo colours. I only have these two but I think there are getting on for twenty in the series now, including the obvious Heer texts….I recommend them without prejudice. Very worth finding if they cover a subject you are interested in.

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    These are a little off the wall (I’m sure I have another but I can’t find it…). Great reference material for learning paint mixing (and about paint in general). They are obviously designed for oils, but acrylic and oils mix in the same way, and they are really cheap if you look around (I think the hints on mixing was free from the art shop).

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    Not sure why this is sideways? It’s fine in the viewer and was taken in portrait, not landscape? Anyway, it’s a reference work,not a “how to paint”, but is very useful and illustrates a point I want to make…..when painting figures, most people (me included a lot of the time) don’t use enough contrast. Look at the illustrations and see how the skin, clothing, and equipment is depicted! It helps that Troiani is a master painter and probably knows as much about his ACW period as anyone, but where and how to add highlights, and how dark to make the shadows, is superbly indicated in this sort of work. The paperback versions of this book are remarkably cheap for what they are!

    Hope some of this is helpful John. I also have the Carrtacci book mentioned earlier in PDF, but don’t find it that useful. It’s more “look what I can do” than “here’s how”. Nothing wrong with that, he’s a great painter….but possibly not what you are after.

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    • Guest

      #17
      Originally posted by Tim Marlow
      Not sure why this is sideways? It’s fine in the viewer and was taken in portrait, not landscape?
      That’s funny, a few minutes ago I was explaining the reasons for that on another forum

      It was taken with your phone or tablet, I assume, which means that the camera software doesn’t actually rotate the image to be the right way up but just adds a tag into the image’s metadata to indicate by how much to rotate the picture so it’s the right way up (according to the phone’s accelerometer). Forum software, though, tends to strip out metadata for privacy reasons, and the “this way up” tag can disappear that way as well.

      Another thing I’ve noticed is that with an iOS/iPad OS device, if you upload the photos at less than full size, it always ends up landscape — whereas if you upload rotated images at full size, they stay the right way up.

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      • Tim Marlow
        SMF Supporters
        • Apr 2018
        • 18931
        • Tim
        • Somerset UK

        #18
        They were reduced in size, so that’s the reason Jakko. All the pictures were taken the same way up using the same kit. It was just these two that needed compressing to fit in with the file size rules.

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        • The Smythe Meister
          • Jan 2019
          • 6248

          #19
          Well,Tim seems to have covered just about EVERYTHING there John!!:tears-of-joy::tears-of-joy:
          However,NOT the Osprey book which i was recommended a few years ago,and swear by it.......
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          Yes,i know it`s Fallschirmjager based,BUT,the tips/methods are applicable to all figures..... and SO clear with excellent narrative..... top stuff!!:thumb2:
          HTHs,
          Andy,(Love to Christine from us both too:smiling.

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          • JR
            • May 2015
            • 18273

            #20
            Originally posted by Tim Marlow
            Part two…..
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163817[/ATTACH]
            This one dates from 2015 and is completely based on acrylics. It is a very good primer, despite the title. It works through all figure types, including horses, and works through most of the colour groups. I still refer to it for most figures. It has good basic recipes for hair and skin…..
            Most of the techniques are still applicable to slightly larger figures, and there are a couple of bigger figures SBSd inside as well. Only thing is, the majority is based around historicals rather the WW2 stuff…..

            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163832[/ATTACH]
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163833[/ATTACH]
            These are a little different. The figures on the cover are 28mm, which shows the quality of the work. They are reference works with techniques included. The meat of the book is the painting notes for about twenty five miniatures of period within the title. They include full paint call outs in Vallejo colours. I only have these two but I think there are getting on for twenty in the series now, including the obvious Heer texts….I recommend them without prejudice. Very worth finding if they cover a subject you are interested in.

            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163834[/ATTACH]
            These are a little off the wall (I’m sure I have another but I can’t find it…). Great reference material for learning paint mixing (and about paint in general). They are obviously designed for oils, but acrylic and oils mix in the same way, and they are really cheap if you look around (I think the hints on mixing was free from the art shop).

            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163835[/ATTACH]
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163836[/ATTACH]
            Not sure why this is sideways? It’s fine in the viewer and was taken in portrait, not landscape? Anyway, it’s a reference work,not a “how to paint”, but is very useful and illustrates a point I want to make…..when painting figures, most people (me included a lot of the time) don’t use enough contrast. Look at the illustrations and see how the skin, clothing, and equipment is depicted! It helps that Troiani is a master painter and probably knows as much about his ACW period as anyone, but where and how to add highlights, and how dark to make the shadows, is superbly indicated in this sort of work. The paperback versions of this book are remarkably cheap for what they are!

            Hope some of this is helpful John. I also have the Carrtacci book mentioned earlier in PDF, but don’t find it that useful. It’s more “look what I can do” than “here’s how”. Nothing wrong with that, he’s a great painter….but possibly not what you are after.
            Wow and wow again, plenty to digest .There so much to learn and take in, but I'm determined to improve so thank you.





            Originally posted by The Smythe Meister
            Well,Tim seems to have covered just about EVERYTHING there John!!:tears-of-joy::tears-of-joy:
            However,NOT the Osprey book which i was recommended a few years ago,and swear by it.......
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163844[/ATTACH]
            Yes,i know it`s Fallschirmjager based,BUT,the tips/methods are applicable to all figures..... and SO clear with excellent narrative..... top stuff!!:thumb2:
            HTHs,
            Andy,(Love to Christine from us both too:smiling.
            Hi Andy gave Christine the message and she sends hers back :blow-kiss:. Watching TV and patiently waiting for me to finish the cooking !
            Thanks for the info , going to have a look at some of the publications from Osprey later.

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            • Tim Marlow
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 18931
              • Tim
              • Somerset UK

              #21
              Originally posted by The Smythe Meister
              Well,Tim seems to have covered just about EVERYTHING there John!!:tears-of-joy::tears-of-joy:
              However,NOT the Osprey book which i was recommended a few years ago,and swear by it.......
              [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1163844[/ATTACH]
              Yes,i know it`s Fallschirmjager based,BUT,the tips/methods are applicable to all figures..... and SO clear with excellent narrative..... top stuff!!:thumb2:
              HTHs,
              Andy,(Love to Christine from us both too:smiling.
              Same guy that has done the face SBS I posted above Andy. If it’s as good as that its well worth a look.

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              • Tim Marlow
                SMF Supporters
                • Apr 2018
                • 18931
                • Tim
                • Somerset UK

                #22
                I’ve just had a look, and the Gazquez book I’ve posted is very hard to find unfortunately John. It seems to be going for stupid money…..it obviously needs to be reprinted…..

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                • The Smythe Meister
                  • Jan 2019
                  • 6248

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                  Same guy that has done the face SBS I posted above Andy. If it’s as good as that its well worth a look.
                  Indeed Tim,
                  ...... and yes,it`s definitely well worth a look:thumb2:,
                  Andy

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                  • JR
                    • May 2015
                    • 18273

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                    I’ve just had a look, and the Gazquez book I’ve posted is very hard to find unfortunately John. It seems to be going for stupid money…..it obviously needs to be reprinted…..
                    Originally posted by The Smythe Meister
                    Indeed Tim,
                    ...... and yes,it`s definitely well worth a look:thumb2:,
                    Andy
                    Thanks both, now have some ideas what to look for, of course once you start looking it becomes a massive hive of information. Don't expect momentous changes to my figures, just hope I can learn something.:smiling3::thumb2:

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                    • Tim Marlow
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 18931
                      • Tim
                      • Somerset UK

                      #25
                      The only way to approach this is to take what you want to try, and leave the rest John. After a while you will develop your own skill set and style. Don’t try to slavishly copy anything. It won’t work for you like it does for the originator because you are a different person with a different agenda. The only real way to learn is to push paint around as often as you can using the available sources as a pointer.

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                      • GerryW
                        • Feb 2021
                        • 1757

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                        The only real way to learn is to push paint around as often as you can using the available sources as a pointer.
                        I think that I agree, but so far I'm just making right horror movie stuff - might just go back to 'featurless' faces with the eyes, lips etc. not picked out.

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                        • Tim Marlow
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 18931
                          • Tim
                          • Somerset UK

                          #27
                          Originally posted by GerryW
                          I think that I agree, but so far I'm just making right horror movie stuff - might just go back to 'featurless' faces with the eyes, lips etc. not picked out.
                          Try the Vallejo flesh wash Click image for larger version

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ID:	1164226over a solid covering (two thin coats) of basic skin tone Gerry. It brings the figures to life so well it’s like liquid talent :thumb2: It will work on anything up to around 1/35th in size.

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                          • rtfoe
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 9099

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                            The only way to approach this is to take what you want to try, and leave the rest John. After a while you will develop your own skill set and style. Don’t try to slavishly copy anything. It won’t work for you like it does for the originator because you are a different person with a different agenda. The only real way to learn is to push paint around as often as you can using the available sources as a pointer.
                            I agree with what Tim has said. You will eventually find a comfortable style of your own with practice. You must first learn the art of handling your brush and the strokes and amount of paint applied. Never totally fill your brush up, perhaps only halfway as that will keep the point sharp. Work in sections for example divide the face to forehead, cheeks, nose, eyes, chin, lips and ears. Finally the hair and eyebrows. You can start with either light to dark or dark to light pigments whichever is comfortable with you or both in tandem.

                            Cheers,
                            Richard

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                            • Tim Marlow
                              SMF Supporters
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 18931
                              • Tim
                              • Somerset UK

                              #29
                              Originally posted by rtfoe
                              I agree with what Tim has said. You will eventually find a comfortable style of your own with practice. You must first learn the art of handling your brush and the strokes and amount of paint applied. Never totally fill your brush up, perhaps only halfway as that will keep the point sharp. Work in sections for example divide the face to forehead, cheeks, nose, eyes, chin, lips and ears. Finally the hair and eyebrows. You can start with either light to dark or dark to light pigments whichever is comfortable with you or both in tandem.

                              Cheers,
                              Richard
                              Agreed Richard. Apart from when applying washes, the brush needs to be loaded with paint, then unloaded again before painting. If the paint floods off when the brush is touched to the model there is too much paint on there. Wick the excess off on a scrap of copier paper or paper towel before trying to paint with it. The control you gain is immeasurable. The paint will then come off the brush in response to the pressure applied.

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                              • GerryW
                                • Feb 2021
                                • 1757

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                                Try the Vallejo flesh wash [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1164226[/ATTACH]over a solid covering (two thin coats) of basic skin tone Gerry. It brings the figures to life so well it’s like liquid talent :thumb2: It will work on anything up to around 1/35th in size.
                                Will have to try that - just at the moment, the figures would look better in the big top with a car that falls apart! :tongue-out: :tongue-out:

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