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  • KarlW
    • Jul 2020
    • 1522

    #16
    Originally posted by dalej2014
    An alternative solution (pun intended), if a bit of a chore. Could you scan and print the decals onto a new decal paper sheet? Only really practical if you have a PC/laptop, scanner and printer, and the know how to do so, but it's actually not that hard. Most scanners come with copy software, and the decal paper is available from Amazon etc. these days.
    As an added bonus you'll soon build up a virtual decal bank.
    Anyway, good luck with those pesky stickers. They're a bit of a bugbear of mine too.
    I have printed decals in the past, but without an ALPS printer white isn't happening.

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    • BarryW
      SMF Supporters
      • Jul 2011
      • 6029

      #17
      Originally posted by KarlW
      Been using micro sol/set for a while but it is failing me a bit lately with some Tamiya decals so I was wondering what alternatives people are using?
      I'm thinking of getting some Mr. Mark Setter (Is the Neo an improved version?)
      The Tamiya decals are terrible, thick and resistant to solutions. I have used Microsol, Mr Mark Setter (both old and Neo, the Neo is worse than the original if anything), the Mig one and others. The simple fact is that the company that produces the best kits money can buy cannot do decals!

      It is not just about how resistant they are, the larger ones such as on 1/32 scale kits, often splinter apart (not as badly as Trumpeter!)

      I now, for every Tamiya kit, look for aftermarket alternatives, masks for preference to paint the markings simply because they are both easier and more effective than decals. If no masks then I buy aftermarket decals.

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      • BarryW
        SMF Supporters
        • Jul 2011
        • 6029

        #18
        Further to my previous post.
        Tamiya producing the best plastic, cannot do decals but Airfix and Revell with 'so-so' plastic really do produce the best decals.

        Zoukei Mura are pretty good as well, great plastic and great decals.
        Hobbyboss and Trumpeter as already referenced, produce the worse decals of all in the sense of splintering as soon as you look at them, but at least some liquid decal film helps a bit but just don't apply it too thick.
        ICM are good if you get them down but they have a tendency to curl.
        HKM decals are OK with care.

        Among aftermarket the best I have found are Kits World. That said, at least for the larger markings, its always better to use paint masks and paint them. The best masks for this are the Kabuki paper type:
        Maketar offers a choice between vinyl and Kabuki, always pick Kabuki. They also provide a lot of excellent generic sets as well as kit specific. I generally buy from their own website as there is a much wider choice there than Hannants. They are difficult to find on Google but I think its against the rules to post a link here, so if anyone wants a link pm me. Incidentally, their circle, wheels and canopy generic sets are something every modeller should have in the drawer.
        1 Man Army are the best around with their hi-def sets, they even produce the small aircraft stencilling (at least in 1/32)
        Avoid, if possible, Montex as they are all vinyl but if these are the only choice then they are still preferable to decals.
        There are several other companies producing these, including Kits World now starting to, but beware, Kits World are vinyl so avoid. Sad that, these are well produced and presented. The issue with vinyl is how they will lift on curves and the sharper the curve the bigger the problem.

        I hope that helps. Masks take longer to do but they really are well worth using.

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        • langy71
          SMF Supporters
          • Apr 2018
          • 1950
          • Chris
          • Nottingham

          #19
          Originally posted by langy71
          I keep meaning to have a go at making my own with white vinegar, I saw it somewhere on the tube of you, and always thought it would save a few pounds here and there..
          It
          Originally posted by Tim Marlow
          Good fun as an experiment Chris, but do you really use that much decal setting solution that this would save you money? Unless I knock it over, I find a bottle lasts at least a decade.
          Funny you should say that as I did knock over my botte of Micro Set a few weeks ago, lost over half of it.....

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          • flyjoe180
            SMF Supporters
            • Jan 2012
            • 12433
            • Joe
            • Earth

            #20
            Has anyone tried Tamiya decal setting and softener solutions on Tamiya decals?

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            • Tim Marlow
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 18931
              • Tim
              • Somerset UK

              #21
              Originally posted by flyjoe180
              Has anyone tried Tamiya decal setting and softener solutions on Tamiya decals?
              Now that’s a really good point…….I don’t think I’ve ever heard mention of Tamiya solutions on the forum at all.

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              • KarlW
                • Jul 2020
                • 1522

                #22
                Originally posted by flyjoe180
                Has anyone tried Tamiya decal setting and softener solutions on Tamiya decals?
                Now that's just crazy talk...........
                I did find a review an the AMPS site, can't link as they all go to the home page, says that mark fit is really no better or worse than others out there. And does mention that Tamiya decals are pretty impervious to all decal solutions where as cartograph aren't. But the strong seems to work as he used Tamiya decals for his review.
                Might grab both bottles then post my own findings.

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                • Geoffers
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 1715
                  • Geoff
                  • Shropshire

                  #23
                  Daco strong setting solution is my weapon of choice for stubborn decals.
                  It seems to do the trick quite nicely with thick decals.
                  Unfortunately it’s not readily available in the uk anymore and the cost of added overseas postage make it a bit to pricey for me

                  Geoff.

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                  • dalej2014
                    SMF Supporters
                    • Aug 2021
                    • 507

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Geoffers
                    Daco strong setting solution is my weapon of choice for stubborn decals.
                    It seems to do the trick quite nicely with thick decals.
                    Unfortunately it’s not readily available in the uk anymore and the cost of added overseas postage make it a bit to pricey for me

                    Geoff.
                    It's available through this site - https://www.modellingtools.co.uk/dec...tions-86-c.asp
                    Hope it helps.

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                    • AlanG
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6296

                      #25
                      Originally posted by BarryW
                      Avoid, if possible, Montex as they are all vinyl but if these are the only choice then they are still preferable to decals.
                      Not sure why you have an aversion to Montex. But i've never had a problem with them.

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                      • Geoffers
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Jan 2017
                        • 1715
                        • Geoff
                        • Shropshire

                        #26
                        Originally posted by dalej2014
                        It's available through this site - https://www.modellingtools.co.uk/dec...tions-86-c.asp
                        Hope it helps.
                        Cheers Dale :thumb2:

                        I’ve looked there before but it’s usually out of stock, haven’t checked a while.

                        Order on way once the shop opens.

                        Geoff.

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                        • KarlW
                          • Jul 2020
                          • 1522

                          #27
                          Originally posted by AlanG
                          Not sure why you have an aversion to Montex. But i've never had a problem with them.
                          Just bought two sets of Montex, I'll see how I get on.

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                          • Komedy
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Jan 2020
                            • 307

                            #28
                            The VMS decal solutions are very good

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                            • BarryW
                              SMF Supporters
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 6029

                              #29
                              Originally posted by AlanG
                              Not sure why you have an aversion to Montex. But i've never had a problem with them.
                              Being vinyl they do not bed into detail and also lift on compound curves. The canopy masks are the worse, almost unusable.

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                              • Tim Marlow
                                SMF Supporters
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 18931
                                • Tim
                                • Somerset UK

                                #30
                                Originally posted by BarryW
                                Being vinyl they do not bed into detail and also lift on compound curves. The canopy masks are the worse, almost unusable.
                                I have only used them once and have had exactly the same issues Barry. This is why I’ve only used them once :thumb2:

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