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  • JR
    • May 2015
    • 18273

    #31
    Originally posted by Jim R
    I bought 3 of those Oilbrushers when they first came out. I have used them but they are a very expensive way to buy oils. They have no advantage, in my opinion, to a blob of W&N paint and some thinner.
    Agree Jim. Although easy to use they are just another expense if you already have a box of oil paint tubes.
    Even tried some " water based " oils from I think W&N. Yes a strange idea and contradictory name . Used once and now languishing in a box . Steve Jones loves his oils for weathering .

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    • BarryW
      SMF Supporters
      • Jul 2011
      • 6027

      #32
      I have used the Neo and I am not impressed with that as a masking fluid There are better out there.

      I also have the full range of oil brushers. They are just an easy mess free way of using oil paint for weathering. One use for these is ‘oil dotting’ in which you dot your painted surface with various shades of oil paint and then use a brush dampened with white spirit to wipe over the surface gradually spreading the oil and removing surplus until you get the stained and variates finish you want.

      Oils are also useful for creating a wood effect. Spray a surface with a tan or light brown shade and, when fully dry and cured, spread oil paint on the surface. Then before it dries use a brush and with a squiggly motion create the effect of wood grain.

      The big disadvantage of oils is that they take ages to dry and cure off, days and days.

      Below is an example of oil dotting on the inner wings of an ICM 1/32 I-16. This was an aircraft made partially of wood and I wanted to give the impression of wear on the inner wings where pilots and maintenance crew walked. I used various brown and sand shades. Worth noting that I also used black basing, pre and post shading, panel line washes and on metal areas Uschi Metal powders for chipping. Click image for larger version

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      • Tim Marlow
        SMF Supporters
        • Apr 2018
        • 18907
        • Tim
        • Somerset UK

        #33
        Originally posted by BarryW
        I have used the Neo and I am not impressed with that as a masking fluid There are better out there.

        I also have the full range of oil brushers. They are just an easy mess free way of using oil paint for weathering. One use for these is ‘oil dotting’ in which you dot your painted surface with various shades of oil paint and then use a brush dampened with white spirit to wipe over the surface gradually spreading the oil and removing surplus until you get the stained and variates finish you want.

        Oils are also useful for creating a wood effect. Spray a surface with a tan or light brown shade and, when fully dry and cured, spread oil paint on the surface. Then before it dries use a brush and with a squiggly motion create the effect of wood grain.

        The big disadvantage of oils is that they take ages to dry and cure off, days and days.

        Below is an example of oil dotting on the inner wings of an ICM 1/32 I-16. This was an aircraft made partially of wood and I wanted to give the impression of wear on the inner wings where pilots and maintenance crew walked. I used various brown and sand shades. Worth noting that I also used black basing, pre and post shading, panel line washes and on metal areas Uschi Metal powders for chipping. [ATTACH=CONFIG]n1206197[/ATTACH]They
        I have found oils dry much faster if you use a scrap of cardboard to leach off the majority of the oil carrier first Barry. Basically, put a small blob on a square of box cardboard (I use Amazon mailing packs) and leave it for an hour or so. You will see the oil leach out into the cardboard around the blob. It is then ready to use. Use Sansodor as your brush dampener as well. Again it improves drying time and is less aggressive towards the model than white spirit.
        Doing this I find lamp black and the earth colours (ochres and umbers, the ones we most use) dry overnight and are totally matt in the morning.

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        • Mini Me
          SMF Supporters
          • Jun 2018
          • 10711

          #34
          Many Thanks for all the useful information I am receiving from you guys...I was particularly vexed by the Fixer. Since I have this stuff, I might as well try and use as much of it as possible.....I like Barry's idea of dotting and the washing to blend....very helpful. Also the suggestion from Tim on improving drying time when using oils for weathering. Once again, Thank You All for your valuable input.

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