Canopies... Arghhhhhhh!

[PhilJ]

Right!


I know this is only my second model but I'm at the same point and having trouble.


Canopies!


Used a mask that came with the kit this time and it's left a nasty sticky gluey residue.


I also get paint peel no matter how careful I am.


Someone please point me in the direction of a sure fire canopy method before I bludgeon myself to death with a blunt instrument!


Phil

[john i am]

Tamiya tape and a sharp scalpel blade and be sure you paints dried cured before masking canopy around fuselage. You can mask the canopy before attaching to fuselage in some most cases.[ATTACH]119521.IPB[/ATTACH]

[Adrian "Marvel" Reynolds]

I'm sure there will be multiple replies but I thought I would share my way. Sorry for the length of the reply


Let me say its not cheap, as I use Bare Metal Foil to mask all my canopies, I find it great for the ease at which it moulds to the shape and as its a lot thinner than any tape so there is never any paint step.


So after masking the canopy with the BMF and I cannot stress enough how important it is to use a new blade you need to trim your masking, the first colour should be the interior colour that your model shows as this will be visible from the interior view. Then your top coat colour should be sprayed over the top of the interior colour.


Leave it to dry then once dry I gloss mine ready to decal and weather if required. Once your done with the colours and weathering/decals use a sharp blade to carefully trim round the edges of the canopy this will break the seal from the paint and stop any paint peeling. Lift the BMF with the tip of your blade and peel back the BMF, on rare occasions you may see a little glue this can be removed with a Q-tip and a little IPA.


Now, when I was at Telford a few years back I was amazed at how clear and thin the canopies looked on the Canberra SIG table so I asked them how they achieved it. They actually dip each canopy in Klear three times, so you dip and leave 24 hours then repeat twice more. If your painted edges need to be matt, you carefully brush paint with a matt.


It seems a lot of work but I honestly think its worth the end result.


Hope this picture helps show what I achieve.


Adrian

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[PhilJ]

Tamiya tape and a sharp scalpel blade and be sure you paints dried cured before masking canopy around fuselage. You can mask the canopy before attaching to fuselage in some most cases.[ATTACH]131255[/ATTACH]

That's how I'm doing it at the moment mate but struggling, may try ades bmf and klear method

[PhilJ]

I'm sure there will be multiple replies but I thought I would share my way. Sorry for the length of the reply
Let me say its not cheap, as I use Bare Metal Foil to mask all my canopies, I find it great for the ease at which it moulds to the shape and as its a lot thinner than any tape so there is never any paint step.


So after masking the canopy with the BMF and I cannot stress enough how important it is to use a new blade you need to trim your masking, the first colour should be the interior colour that your model shows as this will be visible from the interior view. Then your top coat colour should be sprayed over the top of the interior colour.


Leave it to dry then once dry I gloss mine ready to decal and weather if required. Once your done with the colours and weathering/decals use a sharp blade to carefully trim round the edges of the canopy this will break the seal from the paint and stop any paint peeling. Lift the BMF with the tip of your blade and peel back the BMF, on rare occasions you may see a little glue this can be removed with a Q-tip and a little IPA.


Now, when I was at Telford a few years back I was amazed at how clear and thin the canopies looked on the Canberra SIG table so I asked them how they achieved it. They actually dip each canopy in Klear three times, so you dip and leave 24 hours then repeat twice more. If your painted edges need to be matt, you carefully brush paint with a matt.


It seems a lot of work but I honestly think its worth the end result.


Hope this picture helps show what I achieve.


Adrian

I'm sold ade, think I'm gonna try this method next time. I have been painting interior and exterior but like the idea of two exterior coats. Is the bmf self adhesive and where's the best place to get it? How long does it last? Cost ect?


Cheers mate


Phil

[Guest]

An alternative approach which I have tried on the gun turrets of a 1/72 Lancaster involved cutting suitably very narrow strips of pre-painted material (I mean painted befor cutting) and applying direct to the framework of the canopy. I used Sellotape. In thin strips it stretches a little. Its fiddly of course and a steady hand is needed. Doing it again, I think I would experiment with BMF (again pre-painted and in strips.


On the first colour applied to the BMF by Ade (to show the interior colour), it would not be possible to do that with this method, but with many models I doubt whether a different interior colour would be seen clearly, especially with the large number of frame strips in a Lancaster.

[john i am]

I'm sold ade, think I'm gonna try this method next time. I have been painting interior and exterior but like the idea of two exterior coats. Is the bmf self adhesive and where's the best place to get it? How long does it last? Cost ect?
Cheers mate

http://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/black-chrome-foil-self-adhesive-300x160mm-bare-metal.html

[Guest]

http://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/matt...are-metal.html

Shame it's out of stock!


Could that be used instead of paint for a BMF finish eg on a Mustang or Jug?

[john i am]

Shame it's out of stock!
Could that be used instead of paint for a BMF finish eg on a Mustang or Jug?

Oh look back in stock




http://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/blac...are-metal.html

[Guest]

Oh look back in stock




http://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/blac...are-metal.html

That was quick! John's on the ball!

[papa 695]

Right!
I know this is only my second model but I'm at the same point and having trouble.


Canopies!


Used a mask that came with the kit this time and it's left a nasty sticky gluey residue.


I also get paint peel no matter how careful I am.


Someone please point me in the direction of a sure fire canopy method before I bludgeon myself to death with a blunt instrument!


Phil

Do you use a sharp blade cut around the edges before you take the masks off Phil ?

[PhilJ]

Do you use a sharp blade cut around the edges before you take the masks off Phil ?

Yes I did do this time but had a bit of peel on the inside and it was more difficult to get in there to be honest which is why I might two coat the exterior as ade suggested

[PhilJ]

So it turns out I have tried to rectify the canopy on the me 262 and to cut a long story short its f****ed!


Any one know of decent third party canopy manufacturers?


Please help I want this build over!


Phil

[Guest]

If your fairly new to the hobby I would go for Eduard precut masks I know they do most 48 scale aircraft or my method is to use thin strips of tamiya masking film it's like the tape but thinner and comes in large sheets cut into thin 2mm strips use this to mask each side of frame then infill glass with normal tamiya tape then paint inside colour on the outside then when dry paint outside colour works well for me never ever leaves residue


All the best my friend


Roger

[PhilJ]

If your fairly new to the hobby I would go for Eduard precut masks I know they do most 48 scale aircraft or my method is to use thin strips of tamiya masking film it's like the tape but thinner and comes in large sheets cut into thin 2mm strips use this to mask each side of frame then infill glass with normal tamiya tape then paint inside colour on the outside then when dry paint outside colour works well for me never ever leaves residue
All the best my friend


Roger

I have a method I'm going to try next time, but the problem I have this time is the canopy is beyond repair and I need a third party canopy


Phil