KLEAR, take a look!

[yak face]

Good point on the thinned varnish ,i hadnt thought of it that way. The old stuff is the one thats more viscose by the way. Im not in any way saying its ok to pay daft prices for the old stuff , i certainly wont be! tony

[Guest]

In the video you say that there is no difference apart from the colour, the smell and the bottle, do you mean chemically? Practically? I'm not sure what you're basing this onHow did you compare the two? Saying they're the same without any evidence is just adding another opinion to this never ending argument

I'm curious, did you watch the whole video?

I think I make quite clear in the video that I'm basing this on (almost a years worth of) real life hands on practical experience from a modelling use point of view. For the record I never said they were the same, clearly, even in the simplest terms they are not 'the same' as one is a different colour and perfumed, what I said and I stand by is that they both 'behave the same and do the same things with neither one nor the other doing anything better or worse'

I'm not an industrial chemist, (or any other type of chemist for that matter and clearly don't have access to complex testing machinery/GCMS or other marvellous forensic equipment in the video)

That however, is utterly irrelevant, an industrial chemist could sample the two and tell you that one contains 0.005% greater quantity of nonionic surfactants and a splash of chanel No5 but it makes no difference to real world results in use for a modeller, it's obvious the formula isn't going to have changed much as it's intended use is the same, sealing and giving a sheen to wooden and lino flooring.

Now, I could have made a video saying, here's me painting one wing of an aircraft with the old and the other wing with the new, (which I have incidentally), but then we have the option of having a 12 hour video to prove that I haven't cleverly substituted the model during the drying process, which no-one in their right mind would want to watch, ( I know the expression 'watching paint dry' exists but.....) if I did the whole 'heres one I painted earlier' thing anyone bloody minded enough could accuse me of the above.

So what I did just to be absolutely clear:

Not mentioned in the video as I was focusing on the script i'd laid out

(pretty much the first test when I bought the new stuff), I painted one aircraft wing, 48th BF109G for anyone interested, with the old and one with the new, let them dry three coats each total, saw no visible difference to the sheen and no difference to the application.

I have tested numerous clear parts, painted and dipped with both old and new to see no difference in application or end result.

I have airbrushed and brush painted both onto numerous models and test pieces seeing no difference in application or sheen or end result.

I have coated parts, allowed them to dry and re-wetted them to establish that it dissolves in itself and wipes clean, both old and new do this.

I have tested that an ammonia solution will likewise strip both products, it does.

Of course anyone so minded could say, I could have made this up but ask one very important question.

What do I have to gain from this?

I'll tell you if you're still wondering, nothing!

I have no shares, nor affiliation with SC Johnson or the Klear brand old or new

I have no shares, nor affiliation with Morrisons, (where I bought my own at full retail price), or Sainsburys, or somerfield, or Netto, or Aldi or Wickes or Wilko etc etc etc etc

I have taken the time to test these aside one another though it became apparent to me early on that the new was just the same in operation and I could have kept this all to myself and sold my own old bottle for £20+

I have taken the time to prepare a script covering the pertinent information, film and edit a video, (which to those never having done this is quite time consuming), for anyone and everyone with access to the internet to see entirely free of charge with no request for payment nor donation.

My only 'reward' for this effort is that people who have been confused between the two and their use and ability will no longer be confused and unecessarily out of pocket for something they simply do not need when a much cheaper readily available replacement is sitting right in front of you on the supermarket shelves.

As said, this is mainly for newcomers who are being befuddled by conflicting information based on hearsay, assumption, guesstimation and plain outright personal profit reasons, (I don't say this last lightly, a modeller on another forum has openly admitted to stockpiling several bottles of the old and selling it on ebay for profit)

If an older member or user of the stuff, for whatever reason still prefers the old formula then by all means buy it, it really comes down to do YOU think it's worth the extra minimum of £16.50 per bottle or £3.54 per 100ml?

I'm not telling people what to decide, merely providing evidence based on my own experience.

As far as i'm concerned, there is no argument, it HAS ended, i've proven to myself that they both do the same thing in the modelling perspective, what others choose to believe is up to them but if I can help save newcomers some money to better spend on models rather than myth then i'm pleased.

[john i am]

thanks for taking the time doing the video it was very helpful i have never used it before but will get myself a bottle next time i go to morrisons cheers

[Guest]

OK, that's pretty much what I expected

Thanks for taking the time :thumbs-up:

[Guest]

Many thanks Mick. I bought a bottle in Sainsburys today; £3.65 I think. I cant wait to give it a try.

Baz

[aaron]

I have two full bottles of the "old" stuff so im set. I love it as a gloss coat for decals and washes and i dip all clear parts.

[Guest]

So in other words, the future is Klear!

(That's humourous in case you were wondering..... it's a play on words.....)

(It's really sad when one has to explain one's humour - I did consider putting LOL at the end but I don't really want to send Lots Of Love to everyone (that's also humour)

Grrrrr!

Aidan

[Guest]

So in other words, the future is Klear! (That's humourous in case you were wondering..... it's a play on words.....)

(It's really sad when one has to explain one's humour - I did consider putting LOL at the end but I don't really want to send Lots Of Love to everyone (that's also humour)

Grrrrr!

Aidan

It's only lots of love if you're David Cameron,

[Guest]

Hi there M1ks .

I cannot seem to run the video I just have a black rectangle that has nothing in it.

Do I need any particular software or player to run it

[Guest]

Hi Harry,

It's just your stock YouTube video and should run in any device, however, some mobile / tablet browsers are funny about playing embedded videos.

I'll put the url here, click on that to go to the YouTube site and you should be able to see it then.

If you still can't see it from the direct link, go to YouTube and search for my YouTube user name, spidiq8

Or search for klear, and look for my user name by the video.

Hope that helps.

Mike