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  • Mini Me
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    • Jun 2018
    • 10711

    #376
    The flag placement is as it should be Richard.......your knowledge of things nautical is spot on. Rick H.

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    • wotan
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      • May 2018
      • 1150

      #377
      Richard

      This is really an outstanding piece of mini construction, very well done. Now you know me and always have a suggestion. Believe it or not there is a science to ships waves that could rank alongside rivet counting as a sign of OCD. However the wake in your ocean looks to me a little contrived. The waves down the side of a vessel tend to be more asymptotic to the hull (more of a gentle curve away from the hull line) than your depiction.

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      And there are somewhat less of them.

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      And to prove how neurotic I can be here is a depiction of the science behind all this.

      Having added my two cents please feel free to ignore all this baloney and continue with your superb model.

      John

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      • boatman
        SMF Supporters
        • Nov 2018
        • 14464
        • christopher
        • NORFOLK UK

        #378
        Originally posted by wotan
        Richard

        This is really an outstanding piece of mini construction, very well done. Now you know me and always have a suggestion. Believe it or not there is a science to ships waves that could rank alongside rivet counting as a sign of OCD. However the wake in your ocean looks to me a little contrived. The waves down the side of a vessel tend to be more asymptotic to the hull (more of a gentle curve away from the hull line) than your depiction.

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        And there are somewhat less of them.

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        And to prove how neurotic I can be here is a depiction of the science behind all this.

        Having added my two cents please feel free to ignore all this baloney and continue with your superb model.

        John
        HI John i think it all depends on the hull design an how fast the vessel is traveling as in the pic that ARLEY BURKE has got a very broad beam an richard ship is a fairly slim hull not built for speed an that burke is probberly goin all ahead flank at about 33 knots so bigger waves but this is just my opinion
        chris

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        • Si Benson
          • Apr 2018
          • 3572

          #379
          Stunning Richard, absolutely awesome

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          • wotan
            SMF Supporters
            • May 2018
            • 1150

            #380
            Chris

            You are clearly more expert than I am, and the hull design would certainly affect the wake. My point is purely aesthetic in that the waves that are on Richard's sea just look a little stiff to me. But as I say this doesn't detract from a great piece of modelling.

            John

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            • Tim Marlow
              SMF Supporters
              • Apr 2018
              • 18903
              • Tim
              • Somerset UK

              #381
              Now that’s what I call rivet counting.....amazing what you can learn on here....

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              • rtfoe
                SMF Supporters
                • Apr 2018
                • 9084

                #382
                Jim I mean Tim :tears-of-joy: :tears-of-joy: anytime.

                Thanks Rick Google help me on this and so did my Building Plastic Ship Models reference.

                John, thanks and I know what you mean by the waves. As I see it's a slow ten knots...that's how fast Oxford could muster and the pattern created by the blunt bow hitting the waves. The waves are slightly choppy and not totally calm. Been studying a lot of wave patterns and they differ depending on the swells of the sea and direction of waves as well as the speed, shape of the bow and hull. It's not perfect but I'm lucky to get it this way as its my third seascape. Pretty touch and go. Thanks for your input though as its a base to start from and think about.

                Christopher, appreciate your input too. Keeping things to scale isn't easy. My cousin who sailed high seas in his LNG vessel and I've been on it...the bridge was at least 30ft across and when he showed me pictures of it in a mild storm it looked tiny with waves twice the height of the ship.

                Cheers,
                Richard

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                • rtfoe
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 9084

                  #383
                  Thanks Si and Tim kind of eye opening isn't it. I might just take another look at the waves.

                  Cheers,
                  Ruchard

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                  • spanner570
                    SMF Supporters
                    • May 2009
                    • 15401

                    #384
                    Richard , if you start to 'Mess' with the waves, you might well ba**s it up!

                    Leave the excellent sea as it is. The ship is plodding along. Perhaps just mark things down for future reference?

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                    • boatman
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Nov 2018
                      • 14464
                      • christopher
                      • NORFOLK UK

                      #385
                      Originally posted by spanner570
                      Richard , if you start to 'Mess' with the waves, you might well ba**s it up!

                      Leave the excellent sea as it is. The ship is plodding along. Perhaps just mark things down for future reference?
                      YEA Richard 570 i think i right
                      Originally posted by wotan
                      Chris

                      You are clearly more expert than I am, and the hull design would certainly affect the wake. My point is purely aesthetic in that the waves that are on Richard's sea just look a little stiff to me. But as I say this doesn't detract from a great piece of modelling.

                      John
                      AN YEA John im no exspert far from it its just what ive read in books an you do have a point an thats the whole point of this foreum our opinions thats what makes this foreum so good as it would be a dull old world if we all aggree on everything
                      all best chris

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                      • Neil Merryweather
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Dec 2018
                        • 5186
                        • London

                        #386
                        Originally posted by spanner570
                        Richard , if you start to 'Mess' with the waves, you might well ba**s it up!

                        Leave the excellent sea as it is. The ship is plodding along. Perhaps just mark things down for future reference?
                        yes Richard - Step AWAY from the model!

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                        • rtfoe
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 9084

                          #387
                          Ron, Chris and Neil, no worries I'm in the midst of tackling the pesky little flags. When I'm through with them it'll be the most confusing message ever put up. :tears-of-joy:

                          Cheers,
                          Richard

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                          • boatman
                            SMF Supporters
                            • Nov 2018
                            • 14464
                            • christopher
                            • NORFOLK UK

                            #388
                            Originally posted by rtfoe
                            Ron, Chris and Neil, no worries I'm in the midst of tackling the pesky little flags. When I'm through with them it'll be the most confusing message ever put up. :tears-of-joy:

                            Cheers,
                            Richard
                            WELL done Richard for even tryin to make these signal flags in this scale wow an i have a signal flag chart some where if i come accross it i'll look your flags up on it an see what your signal means lol
                            chris

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                            • rtfoe
                              SMF Supporters
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 9084

                              #389
                              Hi, here are the photos of the flag raising and extra rigging...

                              Try not to read what it says...I think there's a negative, ship is doing a zig zag, there's a zero and two, I'm reversing, let's talk and so on and so forth...:smiling6:

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                              Have put up two orange ornaments for Christmas and left a cut piece of rigging which hasn't been removed...where's the guy to clear the set before a photo session when you need one?

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                              From this angle I can see where John is coming from. Let's see if I can improve on it.

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                              Off to do the Hellcat while I ponder the waves.

                              Cheers,
                              Richard

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                              • rtfoe
                                SMF Supporters
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 9084

                                #390
                                Originally posted by boatman
                                WELL done Richard for even tryin to make these signal flags in this scale wow an i have a signal flag chart some where if i come accross it i'll look your flags up on it an see what your signal means lol
                                chris
                                Just missed your post Christopher...don't be surprised if one reads I'm carrying hazardous material. :tears-of-joy:

                                Cheers,
                                Richard

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