Trumpeter HMS Kent

[andy55]

Just thinking, would a torpedo hitting in the stern make 10800 odd tonnes jump a bit... hummm

[Dave Ward]

40mm keel to deck. 6mm base + 9mm foam then filler on top. Just under 30 if I waterline it. So yes Dave, 30mm is about right. If I leave it in one piece, then it will be 40mm +. Thinking don't need a huge amount of filler as don't want the waves looking like a tsunami. 6mm mdf base seems to of worked OK on the others I've made.

I get my MDF from here https://www.woodsheets.com/ - cut to any size, material - nice clean square edges that don't need any extra preparation. More expensive than doing it yourself, but I'm not geared up for carpentry & it saves a lot of hassle!
Dave

[Dave Ward]

this may be of interest - https://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/kent.php
Dave

[andy55]

Hey Dave I can cut square corners, honest. I get my mdf from b and q, but then I'm fortunate enough to have a garage and tools. Seen the site, very good with full history. There seems to be a lot of discussion going on as to what the actual colours were. Yes the colours are documented, but what shade of grey was MS1 in 1941 (shruggs shoulders) greater minds than mine. I've gone for an approximation, with the lines as close as I can get.
Andy

[Dave Ward]

The colours are specified on paper - but was all the paint available?, was it mixed up properly? were the surfaces clean? I always take the attitude that if it looks OK, then it's right! Even if all the colours were applied correctly - then a few weeks' exposure to sea, salt & wind would degrade them - so near enough is good enough - heresy to some modelers I know................
Dave

[spanner570]

Andy, keep in mind it's your model, your rules. As long as it's summat like right, no one has the grounds to question your choice of paint/shade.

The colours are specified on paper - but was all the paint available?, was it mixed up properly? were the surfaces clean? I always take the attitude that if it looks OK, then it's right! Even if all the colours were applied correctly - then a few weeks' exposure to sea, salt & wind would degrade them - so near enough is good enough - heresy to some modelers I know................
Dave

Dave I totally agree.

Where paint shades are concerned "near enough is good enough" To me, the same applies to aircraft, armour, you name it!

Different paint manufacturers given a specific colour could well come up with slightly differing shades. Even before the elements get a grip! That is why paints, ceramic tiles and wall paper etc. all have a batch number.......

U.S. Army clothing is a top example of shade differences. Different sub-contractors, different cloth shades.

Tin hats on everyone!:nerd::nerd:

[andy55]

Put my tin hat on and a flash mask when I posted about the colours. lol
Agree entirely. She was painted at Chatham, but as you say was all the paint available.

[Waspie]

Just thinking, would a torpedo hitting in the stern make 10800 odd tonnes jump a bit... hummm

In short - yes!

[Waspie]

Put my tin hat on and a flash mask when I posted about the colours. lol
Agree entirely. She was painted at Chatham, but as you say was all the paint available.

I think you have to remember how warships were painted once they left the wall.
Immaculate in home port, then?.
Then the sea gets to her. So, usually the 1st Lt, (the 'Jimmy' or 'Jimmy the one' as he is sometimes called). Will elect to put a party over the side and paint the rusty bits or just make sure any bare metal is coated. No-one checks batch numbers or checks if the paint matches - sailors just throw the stuff at the parts needing painting. Seamen are nicknamed 'Dabbers' for a reason!!.
Every day on board can be a painting day or as the 'orficers' like to say - ships husbandry. Warships can look like a bit of a bodge up when looked at closely, but from a distance look 'grey'.

[Tim Marlow]

Seeing Ron’s post, it’s time to post these again…..


These were all once the same Colour….and that’s using modern computer matched paint. Anything painted before the ninteen nineties, when paint was matched by eye, would show even more variation.

[andy55]

OMG don't think a tin hat is enough. Maybe a fallout shelter. lol

[Tworrs]

I think you have to remember how warships were painted once they left the wall.
Immaculate in home port, then?.
Then the sea gets to her. So, usually the 1st Lt, (the 'Jimmy' or 'Jimmy the one' as he is sometimes called). Will elect to put a party over the side and paint the rusty bits or just make sure any bare metal is coated. No-one checks batch numbers or checks if the paint matches - sailors just throw the stuff at the parts needing painting. Seamen are nicknamed 'Dabbers' for a reason!!.
Every day on board can be a painting day or as the 'orficers' like to say - ships husbandry. Warships can look like a bit of a bodge up when looked at closely, but from a distance look 'grey'.

Haha Doug, we used to call them orifices.

[andy55]

In short - yes!

May have to rethink where I waterline her. Find out just where she was hit. Read it some where. Could of been the site Dave mentioned.

[Waspie]

May have to rethink where I waterline her. Find out just where she was hit. Read it some where. Could of been the site Dave mentioned.

Andy, just to give you an idea of how a submarine launched torpedo can impact on a floating vessel. These were taken when a now old weapon at point of impact on a 1000 ton plus target in one of the UK ranges. I was in the helicopter close(ish) to the target taking lethality images for the scientists to evaluate.
It took 40 seconds from impact to totally gone. The weapon hit the designated point, broke the vessel in half and all that remained after 2 minutes was a boiler or water tank!!
You may be able to see the water at the stern, that was the result of the whole boat being lifted out of the water and dropping back in!!

Bang or Kerrump would be more accurate!!


Here you can see by the angle of the bow in comparison to the stern exactly how much damage was caused!!
The angle iron you may spot in lower left of the SK's rotors actually went over the top and splashed down behind us!!! Maybe we were a tad too close??

[andy55]

Too damn close by a long way. Certainly wouldn't have done the rotors a lot of good. Really good photos though. Certainly lifted the stern by a long way. Might have to rethink this. Some one will say won't know till you try but wondering if I can do the incident justice, thats a bloody big bang...