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**Guest** · 12 April 2004, 19:34

Sub

Hi KenP

Not built that one but I am now building the " Krick type Vllb " if info on this is of any help ?

this is the 1st time I've had a go with a submarine lol

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**Guest** · 13 April 2004, 15:23

Yes Please

**Guest** · 15 April 2004, 20:45

Currently building an Engel Typhoon. Superb kit and Engel's service is excellent. A lot of hard (but enjoyable) work is involved - and a lot of head scratching. Building instructions could be a lot more detailed but there are some excellent web sites giving information and photos on other people's builds. Can thoroughly recommend the Engel experience.

**Guest** · 15 April 2004, 21:19

i have a review for the engle typhoon, what a superb piece of model engineering it appears to be. but very large . to big for my modest workshop and i dont think i could hide the cost from the good lady either.

nice tho, very nice

**Guest** · 25 May 2004, 15:35

Hi, think I'll build an Engels sub when I've saved up the pennies. ( not before Xmas, I guess !!!)

Fancy either the U177 or the Gato over the Nuclear jobs ( a little more fancy detail )

Any thoughts on one over the other, price is identical.

**Guest** · 23 March 2005, 03:24

Hi, think I'll build an Engels sub when I've saved up the pennies. ( not before Xmas, I guess !!!)Fancy either the U177 or the Gato over the Nuclear jobs ( a little more fancy detail )

Any thoughts on one over the other, price is identical.

Ken,

Just bumping this up again as I too would love some infor/opinions about Engels subs and the U177 and the Gato in particular. I am leaning toward the Gato, but have reservations about getting it out of the water when it comes time to leave the lake. It seems to me that these things would be really heavy!

thanks in advance,

Paul

**Guest** · 23 March 2005, 12:05

You're right about the weight Paul. My Typhoon currently weighs in at about 17kg and that's without batteries, periscopes and wtc lid. Engel's literature says its 'emerged displacement' will be about 21kg. I don't think the Gato would be quite as heavy. The lifting problem at your lake shouldn't be too much of a problem. There's always a band of willing helpers in my experience. The real problem is finding someone to help load it into the car at home. Wives never seem to be available to help! You also need a fairly substantial trolley - and a suitably sized car! But don't be put off - it's all worth it.

Andrew

**Guest** · 23 March 2005, 16:41

Hi Paul,

I got, and am building U177. Haven't weighed it but I think it's about 25 lbs, it just feels bloody heavy to pick up. I can do it OK though but would't like to carry it far.

The Gato uses exactly the same diving system as U177 and weighs just about the same.

I have't floated mine yet as I still have to finish off the upper deck.

To lift it out of the water, one way is to have a couple of strapping pieces with a bar/handle at the top so that the strapping hangs in a loop. Then just float the strapping under the boat and lift it out by the handles.

Ken

**Guest** · 23 March 2005, 23:33

To lift it out of the water, one way is to have a couple of strapping pieces with a bar/handle at the top so that the strapping hangs in a loop. Then just float the strapping under the boat and lift it out by the handles.

Ken

I have seen variations on this using nothing more than your average pull along shopping trolley with the basket bit removed and then straps added as described above by Ken...quite a few guys at my local club use these for putting their boats into the water and recovering them after...some of these guys are knocking on a bit but this works very well and doesn't put your back out !!

At 42 yrs old I am one of the young whippersnappers at the club !!! :hehe:

Regards.........Mark

**Guest** · 12 October 2005, 10:51

Engel Typhoon / other subs

Hi, I just found this site and its my first post. I have just restarted building my Engel Typhoon and was wondering if anyone was building an Engel sub, and those of you with Engel subs, how do you find their performance and if you had any pointers setting it up.

I started on my Typhoon in Winter 2002 and came to an abrupt halt in summer 2003 when I got married! A baby daughter later, I have just restarted buliding and hope to get it in the water in 2006. I am at the stage of installing all the innards at the moment. I used to post a lot on the now defunct MarineRc forum. There were loads of pictures and valuable information on Engel subs which I was hoping to refer to but are now lost :bash: . I have made some mods to my boat including a clear lexan lid, Stern trusters, operating missile doors and under water camera, supported prop shafts, external switches; if any one need any info to doing this for their boat I'll be happy to help! Oh anyone know any suitable place to operate the Typhoon say around 1hour drive from London (model friendly, more than 10 feet, jetty or something to drop and recover the sub - its heavy and I'll be doing it myself!)?

Cheers

**Guest** · 12 October 2005, 12:33

we have 44 subs in our model boat club, one member of the club also used to run a business called subway designs, he manufactured watertight chambers, produced waterproof propshaft glands, push rod glands and in addition he supplied many model sub kits, including the old darnell stuff when it was around ! also both engel and the other german made sub kits by norbert bruggen,

i have personally never build an engel kit, but we have a gato and a typhoon in the club, both models were also used during the filming of the model subs section on discovery channel's supermodels programme....

the typhoon is an awesome model and its size greatly increases the wow factor when the model is in use..... the 'bow wave' is also unique, there is nothing like it when it moves through the water with decks awash.... it is an incredicble kit, but alot of work to do, but woth it in the end....

The gato in the club is also a fine bit of work, my one comment about the gato i know in the club is it is overpowered, it is incredibly fast underwater, only powered by 2 standard 540 motors..... but again a fine fine model,

at the end of the day its your choice, i doubt you would be dissapointed with either kit...but both will be a rewarding build......

good luck, will be great to hear what you finally choose to do !

**Guest** · 12 October 2005, 14:20

I've been at my Typhoon for about the same length of time! One site that I've found helpful is: http://home.no.net/boati/

Andrew

**Guest** · 12 October 2005, 18:18

So have you have you finished off your Typhoon yet Andrew? Do you have any pics?Yes I know about Bo@ti's site. He actually was kind enough to sent me the lexan for the lid and even had it engraved 'TYPHOON' as well. His Typhoon construction stalled at about the same time as mine. But I have got more done in the last week than in the last 2 years so other distractions withstanding I will get this in the water next year!

New to trains - what model club to you belong to - sounds ideal if its not too far off? I did buy a few bits off Subway Designs and still have his catlogue

**Guest** · 13 October 2005, 10:44

the club is black park model boat club near slough ( we actually back onto pinewood studios) and you could probably whizz up the M4 on a sunday morning in under the hour !- the lake is pretty damm big, the water is pretty clear ( however if you go to deep there is the risk of some weeds) however most weekenda you will see subs and surface craft sailing with no problems....

for more details PM me or see www.blackparkmodelboatclub.co.uk

there is some pictures of some of the subs that gathered for the discovery channel filming too.....

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