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    Filla-Glue (Part one)

    Glue, love it or hate it, as modellers we need it. Once upon a time, glue for modellers was a simple affair. You bought a tube of plastic cement from your local model shop and then re-enacted scenes from Spiderman the movie as you coated your model in webs of stringy cement.

    Thankfully, we have moved on to liquid based cements for welding together our latest plastic masterpiece. Trouble is, the models have moved on to. No longer is a kit always just pieces of plastic that need to be glued together. We have entered the world of modelling multimedia where metal parts, resin parts and other materials combine to make a more accurate and pleasing kit.

    Sadly, there is now no single glue that can do it all. Or is there? One of the greatest inventions of the last few decades has been “Super Glue”. Is it always just glue and is it ever ‘Super’?

    Cyanoacrylate, to give Super Glue it’s Sunday name or CA for short, is one of those miracle products that has lots of uses and even has it’s own folk lore around it. I have read where it was invented to stick gaping wounds together for US Medics in Vietnam. I have also read where it was invented to provide a repair for rubber drive belts. I don’t know if any of this is true but what I do know is that, love them or hate them, we all have CA glue in our sheds. Usually, this is either a branded type or a pack of five bottles for a quid from the local Pound shop. I bet we all have bottles that are now solid superglue and I, for one, have never finished a bottle up, it has always gone off before I get the chance, mainly due to the packaging not being suitable.

    I have got in front of me now a set of CA glues, yes a set which I will describe in a while, which offer the modeller a variety of CA glues that should fill just about every glueing need.

    The set I have consists of “Instant - HV”, “Instant - MV”, “Instant - LV”, “Wicking”, “Black” and “Clear”. The sample set also includes “Undo” and a “Kicka-Pen”(sic)

    The Instants are High, Medium and Low Viscosity. The Wicking is, as the name implies, very thin, almost if not as thin as water. The Black (yes it is actually black, other colours are also available) and the clear are described as impregnated with rubber and ‘give a tough bond with a certain degree of shock resistance and the ability to bridge gaps’. Both of these are High Viscosity. The Undo is a solution that dissolves the CA glues and is very useful for cleaning, ready for re use, of the well thought out “Dosing Tips”

    The kika-Pen is a felt tip style pen, a bit like a small felt tip marker pen with a sloping chisel tip. The Kika-Pen is a ‘conditioner/activator’ for the CA glue which also cleans and prepares the surface to be joined.

    Filla Glue also do other glues and products in the range which I do not have for test but consist of “Filla-Powder” This is a mineral based powder that can be applied to gaps and uneven joins and activated by using the Wicking CA to form an instant ‘filler’ that can be built on by repeating the process to fill large gaps or holes and it can be then sanded, drilled and painted.

    Interestingly for us plastic kit modellers, there is a product in the range called “Filla-Glue - Low Odour” This is available in HV, MV and LV but importantly for us, the low odour bit means that not only do they not smell of much, the do not have the blooming effect that CA glue can have on other parts it does not come into contact with. So, for example, it could be used to attach aircraft canopies without the worry of the fumes damaging the inside of the canopy, always a real problem with liquid cement and conventional CA. They also produce one for wood, a gel based CA and a brush on type.

    The sample bottles are representative of the full size versions in manufacture and are very well made. The caps covering the nozzle screw on and off and the nozzles are ready for use, no cutting the ends off. The Dosing tips are very fine and slip over the tip of the nozzle for use giving very fine control, most useful for the Low Viscosity (LV) and Wicking types.

    One of the issues I have had with cheap Superglue is the unreliability of it. While building my Shelby Cobra I used ‘5 bottles for a quid’ stuff that I ended up getting very frustrated with as I was having to hold pieces together for ages to get them to stick, other bottles from the pack had been much quicker. It stuck me to the part very quickly however and was quite frustrating in use and I ended up having to use quite a bit as I was constantly having to give up, clean up and re try. Also, Superglue is notorious for not working where a really good surface to surface contact is achieved. Any irregularity and it just would not stick of give a weak join by sticking in a very small proportion of the joint, the bits that actually touched.

    The good thing about the Filla-Glue range is that you can build up a collection of differing CAs that will tackle just about any joint be it good or ‘gappy’ as well as just about any material to plastic that you will come across in normal modelling. In effect, you are building up a glue tool box

    I will be doing some practical tests with these glues so I would be very interested if you have any questions that you would want me to try with these while testing them, I would be only too happy to try and answer them.

    Results of tests will be in part two.
  • stona
    SMF Supporters
    • Jul 2008
    • 9889

    #2
    Nice one Graham,I'll be watching this. I generaly avoid CA glue as much as I can but of course sometimes you just have to use it. It does go off,I'm not sure if there is any scientific basis for this but the thinner ones seem to go off quicker. It helps if you store it in the fridge,something I'm not allowed to do.

    Cheers

    Steve

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    • Guest

      #3
      My interest would be summed up by two questions, whats the shelf life once opened and how much does it cost?

      Currently it makes no difference to me whether I buy the pound shop specials or Loctite as I use it in such small quantities it goes off regardless, the biggest problem is my loft where I model does get warm and temp varies, I could keep it in the fridge but couldn't be bothered traipsing to fetch it, (in addition, my wife tolerates me keeping my 100m film rolls and transparency film in there, i might be pushing it a bit with glue.

      I used to use Zap a gap, (which was a large-ish bottle from an RC hobby shop) along with zip kicker, a large bottle, can be brushed or squirted, it (the CA), was a good price at about £3 a bottle which made it considerably cheaper than Loctite miniscule tubes but the problem is setting in the bottle.

      The powder incidentally sounds very much like the stuff that ladies use for false nails, I recall seeing my wife doing nails with acrylic powder and CA, (in addition to silk wrap, fibreglass and foil), hmmmm, I wonder if she still has any of the foil

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      • John
        Administrator
        • Mar 2004
        • 4634
        • John
        • Halifax

        #4
        I've been asked to stock this, I will wait to see Graham conclusion is first, the costs are as follows

        Filla-Glu Black & Clear 10 Gram £4.99

        Instant LV 20 Gram £3.99

        Instant MV 20 Gram £3.99

        Instant HV 20 Gram £3.99

        Kicka-Pen Felt Pen £3.99

        Undo 10 Gram £3.40 £3.99

        Wicking 10 Gram £3.99

        Filla-Glu Sensitive 10 Gram £7.99

        Low Odour - LV/MV/HV 20 Gram £6.20

        Dosing Tips 5 Pieces £2.50

        Empty Bottles 5 Pieces £4.50

        Instant Kit 20 Gram £11.99

        Instant LV

        Instant MV

        Instant HV

        Kicka-Pen

        Filla Kit 10 Gram £24.99

        Filla-Glu Black

        Filla-Glu Clear

        Instant LV

        Instant MV

        Instant HV

        Wicking

        Undo

        Kicka-Pen

        2 x Dosing Tips

        Colours of War 10 Gram £9.99

        Red/Blue/Green/White/

        Yellow/Brown

        These prices are RRP not sure what discount at the moment, all depends on delivery costs etc but I would thinks about 20% off RRP
        www.scalemodelshop.co.uk

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        • Guest

          #5
          I cannot and possibly will not be able to answer the shelf life question Mike, it is so dependent on local conditions. The info sheet that came with the set does not give shelf life except for the brush on CA for which they guarantee 12 months shelf life. As for the cost, as you see above, it is not the most expensive but then again, it isn't the cheapest either.

          I do believe it is a well packaged, professional quality product. There has been a lot of thought in the way these glues have been developed and I think they are more aimed at modellers who build large metal and/or resin figures such as fantasy figures. It has to be said that us plastic modellers have less use for CA, other than sticking the odd bit of resin, resin to plastic, metal to plastic. However, if I bought a kit with a resin cockpit, a pack of photo etch and metal undercarriage, I would want to ensure that such an investment didn't fall to bits after a few weeks because I saved a couple of quid on the glue.

          From what I have read, independent reviews, on this glue, I would be confident in using it. Not least is that I could get the type of glue I needed from a single source and be confident that the quality across the range would be consistent.

          Wether it is a product that John should stock, sadly that would be dependent on the willingness on people buying it rather than the quality of the product. Doesn't matter how good it is, if people don't buy it, there is no business case to stock it.

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          • Ian M
            Administrator
            • Dec 2008
            • 18266
            • Ian
            • Falster, Denmark

            #6
            So, 24 notes for a set of CA and a bag of talcum powder...

            Pass.

            Having found Gator grip I cant see the real point in CA any more. Apart from the instant bit.

            Add to that my last existing bottle of CA being launched into the waste basket due to it having gone off New uopened and from the fridge (Im an angler too so much worse things than glue can be found' in our fridge). It was so far gone I couldn't even stick my fingers together with it.

            Ian M
            Group builds

            Bismarck

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            • Guest

              #7
              Part Two: Conclusion

              OK, I have been trying out the various thickness of these products and I have to say that they work very well. Do they work any better than other CA? I honestly do not know. I can say that they have been much better to work with than my usual pound shop stuff which I would expect to be honest.

              My main problem, not really a problem, is that as a plastic modeller, I do not have that much use for them. If I did more metal and or resin, I would have a much bigger need for them. For photo etch, I would still use Gator Glue as this is my personal choice. There are bits I would use CA for, such as bits of PE made into boxes and stuck onto cockpit sides, I would want the instant grab. I do like the idea of the various thicknesses as it helps with setting time, the thicker it is the longer you have top position the part. As using thicker CA is something I have never done before, it was a bit of a revelation.

              Sadly, the products that would mean more to me as a plastic modeller, the fume free (will not fog clear parts with just the fumes, and the filler powder were not in the samples I had so I cannot comment on them.

              Ian, I can see what you are saying about the price but make no mistake, this is a quality product and a lot of thought has gone into the development of it for which it costs no more and maybe less than comparable branded products. Wether an individual is prepared to pay the price is a personal thing. I do believe a good product is worth paying for but in this case, I am not sure if a plastic modeller would use it enough before it goes off. Only time will tell how long that will be and if it is better than other brands. In my own personal experience, Loctite CA has always gone off within days and it isn't any cheeper than this product but I would never buy it again. I am sure others use Loctite all the time without problems, such are the vagaries of our hobby.

              To sum up from what I have seen, again, this is a quality product. I am sure that the price point, although high, is no worse than half the CA in Hobbycraft. Loctite retails at around £5 for 5 or 6 grams, nearly twice the price of this which comes in 10 grams

              It is an inconclusive review I appreciate but I cannot say a word against it, I just wish I had more application for it to assess it in greater detail. I have read other independent reviews, mainly based around RC and fantasy modelling and it gets very favourable comments.

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              • Guest

                #8
                great write up Graham .I use oderless ca a lot and found(much to the dismay of my Wife)that keeping it in the fridge extends the shelf life quite a long time.The thin seems to go hard faster than the medium or gap filling types.

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                • John
                  Administrator
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 4634
                  • John
                  • Halifax

                  #9
                  Originally posted by \
                  whats the shelf life once opened
                  I asked the question and this was the response from them.

                  Graham includes in his review the bottle and top configuration, this is something we have developed, where no cutting is involved, top forms an airtight seal each and every time you use the glue. Soft bottles for ease of application also.This will ensure the user will achieve the shelf life quoted (Ours are typically 9-12 months depending on which product)

                  Of course there are other factors involved such as storage conditions, replacing cap after use to limit amount of moisture entering the bottle and ensuring the nozzle is clear of any adhesive spillage.

                  This will guarantee the user full shelf life.
                  www.scalemodelshop.co.uk

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Even if it lasted six months, that is far better than I have achieved with any other brand

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                    • Ian M
                      Administrator
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 18266
                      • Ian
                      • Falster, Denmark

                      #11
                      The CA I use is made by Danalim (a danish firm, but I belive it is avaliable in Europe) It comes in a soft bottle with a long spout (?) and contains 20g.

                      I use a fair bit of it (or rather used), as I do quite a bit of PE work and other multi media bits. Some of the tasks that CA will always pevail where Gator glue cant; Glueing antena wires on aircraft, rope rails on boats, hans wheels on boats/canons, open hatches and the like. The instant grab being a necessity rather than a luxury.

                      Gator glue rules when it comes to placing flat parts and things that just have to sit onto other parts.

                      these days, fo me any thing bigger than 5mm deep boxes get soldered!

                      I understand where you are going regarding price. I will always choose quality over discount. I have even gotten the misses to st the point in that one.

                      Ian M
                      Group builds

                      Bismarck

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