' Great Build ' awards, a good thing or ....

[Ian M]

A critique corner....Hmm

As a first thought it is quite a good idea but rather than creating a pile of new sections, I would rather see that those we have get used more: Most post an Under Construction thread in which they post the progress of their current build. Surely it would be a good idea to post these helpful hints of tips, on the way, while the person who is showing their build has the chance to either take the 'advice' or just carry on.

Personally I feel it is a bit to late at times after the model has been presented in a "Completed" thread.

How about if people opening a new thread, in the intro post clearly state that C&C welcome. Could this be a "useful solution"?

As to the question of accuracy, in detail, colour, number of rivets, or the wrong size bolts on the exhaust manifold of your tank, is not really the issue Is it? It is about how well it has been done....

Ian M

[Alan 45]

But that can be clarified by the OP in there thread, people are then aware that it is a representation rather than a factual model, do you think that would work?

Well most of the time that's what I do mate , I don't think I follow what your getting at

[Guest]

As said earlier Ian why not try it and see. If it does not work then discard.

It does seem to me that there is a lot of enthusiasm for the idea as suggested by Mike.

Laurie

[Alan 45]

As to the question of accuracy, in detail, colour, number of rivets, or the wrong size bolts on the exhaust manifold of your tank, is not really the issue Is it? It is about how well it has been done....

Ian M

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make , is it not that the build is good or do we dismiss it out of hand simply because the builder decided to express themselves

[spanner570]

How about if people opening a new thread, in the intro post clearly state that C&C welcome. Could this be a "useful solution"?Ian M

Good idea Ian. People do state C&C welcome at the presentation of their build, so yes, at the start is to be commended.

However, I'm still totally convinced that the good natured and easy going members on here are in a way shy, reserved and yes, even nervous about posting 'suggestions' for fear of it being mis-interpreted as anything other than good advise. I know 'cos I've done it myself, hovering over the button, even rejecting the post.

This is why I reckon a 'critics corner' could work for softy's like me, who are nervous of posting 'advise' on the general forum.......

[Guest]

Well I don't go down the accuracy route at all ive built aircraft with squadron codes that don't exist like my 1/24 spitfire and ive used different shades on purpose because I think they look better

Surely that's an entirely different subject? Shades of colour are at the builders discretion, and if unit markings are imaginary, again that's down to personal choice.

But would you have a Hurricane Mk 1 with invasion stripes?

Maybe in time-honoured fashion we should just agree to disagree!

[Guest]

What is this ' dismiss it out of hand ' stuff?

I've never supported any such idea, nor has anyone else!

I think that you're taking the idea of simple critique too extremes Alan - people aren't going to rubbish a build, merely point out areas that could use some improvement.

If that causes offense, don't post in a public place.

[Alan 45]

What is this ' dismiss it out of hand ' stuff?I've never supported any such idea, nor has anyone else!

I think that you're taking the idea of simple critique too extremes Alan - people aren't going to rubbish a build, merely point out areas that could use some improvement.

If that causes offense, don't post in a public place.

That's the point I'm making Patrick some will do that not everybody goes about thinking the same , we open ourselves up to this if we go too far with critique

[Wendall]

Criticism (noun): The expression of disapproval of someone or something on the basis of perceived faults or mistakes:

Critique (noun): A detailed analysis and assessment of something.

We're a friendly bunch and I don't think many of us would condone the former but I see nothing wrong with the latter. Interesting discussion though.

Jason

[spanner570]

Good point, well made Jason......a few simple letters make a load of difference.

Nice one.

[Guest]

That's the point I'm making Patrick some will do that not everybody goes about thinking the same , we open ourselves up to this if we go too far with critique

Alan, you can continue thinking the worst of the people who contribute to this forum if you want.

Personally, I think we'd all handle it like the sensible, intelligent & thoughtful people we actually are.

Let's give contributors a chance to express themselves & trust that they won't abuse the privilege, rather than suppress free thought for fear of causing minor offense. That's what our grandfathers & great-grandfathers fought for & what nearly 4 million French people marched for on Sunday.

[The Migrant]

Having just read through this whole thread again, maybe we're over thinking it

Maybe we should leave things as they are - forums and gongs - but simply offer helpful advice if and when it's appropriate. I used the terms 'constructive criticism' and 'critique' in an earlier post, but I think they give the wrong impression (as Jason posted while I was typing this). If our approach is to genuinely help another modeller, and we do so in a friendly, non-judgmental way, why would we take offence?

If I post a model of a Spit with a baggy aerial wire, and someone responds with 'have you thought about using elastic thread for the aerial wire? It'll stay taut, and is less likely to snap if you accidentally catch it', I'd appreciate that. We're a friendly, amicable bunch and I suspect we'd be falling over ourselves to make our comments as unambiguously inoffensive as possible...

[Guest]

This is getting a bit silly with so many facets it is hard to make head nor tail.

Ian why not set one section for those who can post their photos as finished where they invite members to make comments.

Easy I would have thought. If it does not work after a month or two remove it. Proof of the pudding.

Laurie

[Ian M]

Right then I feel that this discussion has served its purpose and I have reached the following conclusions.

1) The button do-da's will remain as they are; It is up to you to use them or not. I just ask that you use them with thought.

2) I will set up ONE forum Critique Corner. And their will be rules at the top pinned read them before you post.

3).This thread has proven that we can have a calm and collected discussion and true to SM form we all behaved! Well done chaps.

Ian M

[Guest]

Right then I feel that this discussion has served its purpose and I have reached the following conclusions.1) The button do-da's will remain as they are; It is up to you to use them or not. I just ask that you use them with thought.

2) I will set up ONE forum Critique Corner. And their will be rules at the top pinned read them before you post.

3).This thread has proven that we can have a calm and collected discussion and true to SM form we all behaved! Well done chaps.

Ian M

Very nice summing up Ian.

Agree with point 3 Ian. This could have been very acrimonious and I think that gives real encouragement that the Critique Corner will be respected. I for one will be visiting as I think it could be a very interesting addition to the forum.

Laurie