A bit of help please

[Guest]

When cleaning after a session I always remove the needle. To make sure there is nothing on the tip also to ensure the needle is free of junk where it passes through the seal in the barrel.

Deep clean I remove the nozzle & soak in Pro Cleaner which is the best i have found to date. Leave this soaking over night. Also remove the spring part & trigger this gives access to the plunger under the trigger & give this shot of airbrush. Plus a spot on the needle part the way down to give lubrication at the seal.

Have H & S 7 Iwata. Iwata, in my opinion, is a far better engineered brush . Has fewer seals than the H & S & relies on metal to metal. But the devil to deep clean. Reming the nozzle to soak is not easy as is the H & S.
H & S dead easy brush to take apart. For this reason I uses the H & S for priming & varnish as they are easy to clean.

Iwata produce an HP-BS smaller than the average. I also has the advantage as have a number of Iwata brushes of having the cup recessed well into the barrel giving a better view. Down side you cannot change cups if you like to do a session without refilling. For me I like the better sight line.

Laurie

[Guest]

Have H & S 7 Iwata. Iwata, in my opinion, is a far better engineered brush . Has fewer seals than the H & S & relies on metal to metal.

Interesting Laurie.

In the day job my guns are overwhelmingly Iwata for that reason - I can't afford the downtime of maintenance. I have a couple from the other members of "the big 3", but Devilbiss use some thin paper gaskets that need replacing regularly, and SATA expect you to spend a few hundred quid every 6 months replacing the needle/nozzle/air cap set. Some of my Iwata have gone over 15 years without any parts. My main clearcoat gun, that can spray up to a gallon a day, has had its only seal replaced once in 11 years.

Why on earth did I not buy an Iwata airbrush? :thinking:

[Guest]

Interesting Laurie.

In the day job my guns are overwhelmingly Iwata for that reason - I can't afford the downtime of maintenance. I have a couple from the other members of "the big 3", but Devilbiss use some thin paper gaskets that need replacing regularly, and SATA expect you to spend a few hundred quid every 6 months replacing the needle/nozzle/air cap set. Some of my Iwata have gone over 15 years without any parts. My main clearcoat gun, that can spray up to a gallon a day, has had its only seal replaced once in 11 years.

Why on earth did I not buy an Iwata airbrush? :thinking:

One thing which is different Andy & makes in some ways the H & S more versatile. It takes needles nozzles from 0.6 to 0.18. Not sure of all of them but certainly most.
Some Iwata take two 0.2 & 0.18. Some just the one size.

I bought one Iwata HPBH straight from Japan & it was about 2/3rds the UK price. If you want versatility, at a cost, with Iwata HPBS 0.35 for larger areas. For effects etc HPBH great brush for bits & flashing in damaged areas this is 0.2 or 0.18 plus for finicky areas it also has the recessed paint cup.

Another. I find H & S are easy to dismantle & clean as mentioned compared to IWATA. However a cleaning with out dismantling after a session I find Iwata much easier & less troublesome than HP. Like choosing a car non have all the qualities you pray & want.

Laurie

[Guest]

Thanks Laurie, some great information there. Unfortunately I'm narrowing the field even more by wanting a trigger style airbrush next. Years of muscle memory are proving hard to combat!

Sorry for the hijack Mick, but hopefully there's useful info for you too here.

[Guest]

Thanks Laurie, some great information there. Unfortunately I'm narrowing the field even more by wanting a trigger style airbrush next. Years of muscle memory are proving hard to combat!

Sorry for the hijack Mick, but hopefully there's useful info for you too here.

https:tongue-out3:/www.google.com/se...w=1408&bih=642

There are an number of these. This is for the Iwata. There are others for alternative manufacturers.

Laurie

[David Lovell]

Mick I think at some point(no pun intended) we've all bent a needle if you got on OK with the neo why not replace the needle , I don't belive in bandying brands about ,vauxhall Ford who cares as long as it starts when you turn the key ,I've got one expensive ab but two others from bartsharpairbrush.co.uk both under thirty quid that do the same job just the expensive one is lets say driving a jag with leather seats compared to a Ford fiesta but the end job is no diffrent.

[Guest]

Mick I think at some point(no pun intended) we've all bent a needle if you got on OK with the neo why not replace the needle , I don't belive in bandying brands about ,vauxhall Ford who cares as long as it starts when you turn the key ,I've got one expensive ab but two others from bartsharpairbrush.co.uk both under thirty quid that do the same job just the expensive one is lets say driving a jag with leather seats compared to a Ford fiesta but the end job is no diffrent.

OK David I will swop my Fiesta for your Jag. Be around tomorrow. OK ? :tongue-out3:
Laurie

[Bugatti Fan]

Airbrushes.........So many now it is beginning to look like a minefield. When I first started to use an airbrush the easiest to get hold of were the Aerograph airbrushes made by DeVilbiss who only distributed to graphics outlets like art suppliers. And then the Badger range started to be imported by a company named Morris and Ingram in Poole. They looked at the model making sector as a huge addition to the graphics market and squarely aimed the Badger airbrushes at both. Paasche were well known in the USA and did not push the UK market although they I believe were the originators of the air brush way back in the 1920's. DeVillbiss marketed the Sprite in the 70's for modellers that was an Aerograph with plastic parts.

[Guest]

Airbrushes.........So many now it is beginning to look like a minefield. When I first started to use an airbrush the easiest to get hold of were the Aerograph airbrushes made by DeVilbiss who only distributed to graphics outlets like art suppliers. And then the Badger range started to be imported by a company named Morris and Ingram in Poole. They looked at the model making sector as a huge addition to the graphics market and squarely aimed the Badger airbrushes at both. Paasche were well known in the USA and did not push the UK market although they I believe were the originators of the air brush way back in the 1920's. DeVillbiss marketed the Sprite in the 70's for modellers that was an Aerograph with plastic parts.

Interesting Noel. when I started had not a clue about airbrushes, Given bad info & ended with a Badger with the cup on the side.

Drove me insane until I cottoned on to H & S. Then things took off. 20 years ago there was not the info around as there is now to guide you.

Laurie

[David Lovell]

Its going off course a bit now but I'd say at the least forty years back I purchased a badger air brush (best part of my weeks wages) I suppose now its called a siphon feed big jar on the bottom ,this was connected to a aerosol can full of pressurised air (obviously) and off you went no air pressure control, unless it started to frost up on the out side (this was prevented by standing it in a bowl of hot water) . I think you could adapt it to work with a car or lorry inertube fancy that whilst working at the di ing table ,then I discovered Tamiya kits in the painting instructions it advised you to spray your base colour red brown say then with cotton wool and a little wallpaper paste stick it where you need it over spray with sand yellow remove cotton wool ,with brush and water remove paste stain job done , back in the day I thought it looked the part . Now they charge God knows for a little tub of silly putty .

[Guest]

Its going off course a bit now but I'd say at the least forty years back I purchased a badger air brush (best part of my weeks wages) I suppose now its called a siphon feed big jar on the bottom ,this was connected to a aerosol can full of pressurised air (obviously) and off you went no air pressure control, unless it started to frost up on the out side (this was prevented by standing it in a bowl of hot water) . I think you could adapt it to work with a car or lorry inertube fancy that whilst working at the di ing table ,then I discovered Tamiya kits in the painting instructions it advised you to spray your base colour red brown say then with cotton wool and a little wallpaper paste stick it where you need it over spray with sand yellow remove cotton wool ,with brush and water remove paste stain job done , back in the day I thought it looked the part . Now they charge God knows for a little tub of silly putty .

Interesting David. I started my career in 1955. The changes are phenomenal. I was give first day a knife & pencil & taught & practiced sharpening this pensil How to draw a line you twirled the pencil to keep the point evenly round.

All drawn on tracing paper then printed as a dyeline at the printers. Then back at the office to intricately paint the drg. for the builder. Then to deliver.

Now, & at the last few years of my career draw on computer, colour on computer then transmit from computer to builders computer.

I am though grateful for the painting of drgs. It was an art & technique which I can use for scale model even with 82 year old hands an art not lost hands steady & a technique from the dark ages :smiling: :smiling: :smiling:


Laurie

[stillp]

Its going off course a bit now but I'd say at the least forty years back I purchased a badger air brush (best part of my weeks wages) I suppose now its called a siphon feed big jar on the bottom ,this was connected to a aerosol can full of pressurised air (obviously) and off you went no air pressure control, unless it started to frost up on the out side (this was prevented by standing it in a bowl of hot water) . I think you could adapt it to work with a car or lorry inertube fancy that whilst working at the di ing table ,then I discovered Tamiya kits in the painting instructions it advised you to spray your base colour red brown say then with cotton wool and a little wallpaper paste stick it where you need it over spray with sand yellow remove cotton wool ,with brush and water remove paste stain job done , back in the day I thought it looked the part . Now they charge God knows for a little tub of silly putty .

Going back even further, in the fifties you could buy a small spray gun with a glass jar and brass nozzle that was 'powered' by a bicycle footpump, giving a squirt of paint every time you pressed the pump. I sprayed a few of my slot cars with it, and also my brother's bass guitar, using Humbrol paints thinned with white spirit. It wasn't a great success, and the rubber hoses perished.
Pete

[Guest]

Going back even further. Probably about 11 or 12 years old. These funny air brushes. A jam jar perhaps one of those Shiphams fish paste jars. Fill with paint.

Dip the end of the airbrush in to the paint . Then at the back of the airbrush there was a thin piece which fitted the lips. You blew down this which some how pushed through some tubes into the paint & out of the front onto to paper etc..

We used to use these things, with just clear water ha ha, to have water fights. No television in those days we had to resort to stupidity. :smiling4: Do not kid your self I had a fantastic youth climbing trees, tree camps make camps in haystacks & in the middle of wheat fields. Bike rides. Fishing. It was a life of fresh air & fun with friends. 6:45 all in to listen to Dick Barton Special Agent BBC. 7:00 all out to discuss & resume normal life. Tut now just a computer screen. Total shame a generation lost.

Oh yes not to forget. Cowboys & Indians. Split into two camps & racing around in gangs representing the two factions.

Laurie

Gee sorry well off topic.

[stillp]

Oh yes Laurie, "atomisers". I used to have one for spraying artists' fixative onto charcoal/chalk sketches. Remember Adrian Hill on BBC? He once selected one of my sketches for his show, I think I still have the certificate!
Never thought of trying it with paint.
Pete

[JR]

Oh yes Laurie, "atomisers". I used to have one for spraying artists' fixative onto charcoal/chalk sketches. Remember Adrian Hill on BBC? He once selected one of my sketches for his show, I think I still have the certificate!
Never thought of trying it with paint.
Pete

Adrian Hill, wow remember him well from the distant past .