Unfortunately I used the wrong paint and ended up with a lot of brush marks so I rubbed it down and stated again. This resulted in some patches showing the grey primer, not many though. This time I took advice from the forum and bought some Vallejo white gloss. I was advised to thin it down a little to avoid brush marks. Thin it down!!! The stuff is as thin as water! After putting on a coat it had made no noticeable difference at all, it covered nothing whatsoever. At this rate it will take 20 coats before it covers anything. It comes in a strange plastic tube with a tiny nozzle and has to be squeezed out onto a palette. I have clearly wasted my money on this paint although I haven't tried the black yet. I can't understand why so many recommended it, I think it is worse than useless.
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"Worse than useless" a bit strong is that.....
I don't understand.....
1...Which type of paint did you use? Vallejo Model Colour or Model Air?
2...Did you shake the living daylights out of the 'tube'?
I only brush paint and only use Vallejo Model Colour acrylics for my models and they are excellent paints and produce constantly good results.
If you used Model Air then it is too thin for brush work. Brush marks are caused by putting the paint on too thickly in the first place. Brush painting requires more coats thinned down.Comment
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I've just had a look at my bottle of Model Air white, not gloss, but it'll cover well in two brushed coats, so something is clearly amiss with what you have there. Have you poked around the bottom of the bottle with a cocktail stick?Comment
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It's model colour because I brush paint. I have to say I am puzzled why it is so bad when so many on this forum have recommended it, something is clearly wrong here. It is as though if it came in a tin you didn't stir it and used the thin liquid on top. But this is in a plastic bottle with a nozzle. You can't mix it.Originally posted by \Comment
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You can ease the nozzle off quite easily, grip it with a tissue and wobble side to side gently! Then see if you have a load of gunk in the bottom!Comment
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Yes you can, just keep shaking the thing.......or as John suggests, take the top off!Originally posted by \
I have been using this type of paint in the same type of tube for years and never had any problems.....Comment
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Model Colour is quite a thick paint. Try dropping a stainless steel nut into the bottle and then shaking the hell out of it. If that does not work then you have a duff bottle.Comment
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On close inspection I found I could pry off the nozzle and that gave a small neck opening I could get the handle of a small brush into (why can't they put it in a blasted tin?) and I gave it a good stir and mix up. The paint did come out a little thicker but nonetheless still covers very poorly and will take no end of coats to do the job. Don't understand it.Originally posted by \Comment
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First of all these bottles are generally preferred to tins as they are less prone to spillage. They are also easy to dispense in measured amounts. They really do need to be shaken well and as I said a stainless steel nut popped in as an agitator works well. I airbrush mainly using the Model Air rather than use the hairy stick but I do know that a great many hairy stick users swear by these. It can take some adjustment when using a different type of paint and from what I have read several thin coats is far better than a thick one.Comment
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Tbh I don't rate model colour for brush painting it never seems to go on in an even coat , I use humbrol and Revell and get a much better look and you can thin them with water
Better still try the citadel colours they go on even better and you can thin them with waterComment
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I must admit I am confused by all this. So many people recommend Vallejo but the tube I have is just not up to the job, in my opinion. I understand putting on in thin coats is best but I am not prepared to put on anything from six to a dozen coats. Will have a rethink, at least the artist's acrylic I used before covered very well, I will try that again with a little water added to avoid brush marks this time. Will give Vellejo a miss for now.Originally posted by \Comment
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I'm feeling your pain Keith, you're not having a lot of luck, at a formative stage in this hobby! I can imagine that this is very disheartening, and feel it a good idea to suggest a strategy to reel in these issues and set you back on the path!
Firstly, I'd buy a can of Halford's White primer, and find some empty, but clean water bottles, or plastic milk cartons. Give the bottles a covering of primer, prior to shaking the life out of it, and checking the distance they suggest on the can for spraying. When it's had 24 hours to properly harden, mark off a few areas with a hard pencil and start your attempts to get an even coat of Model Colour on to the areas. For a smooth surface, you want a softish brush, but not one that is floppy (keep those for oil washes!) I did mention a good one in an earlier post, but will repeat it - Winsor & Newton Cotman 666 13 mm - now practice your technique. Try different approaches and pressure. I find, that for the first coat, try to vary the direction of strokes frequently - this will avoid creating a grain. Also, bear in mind that as soon as the paint starts to dry, which with acrylic, can be a really short time, you must stop. The first coat will look awful, the second one won't look too pretty either (!), but have faith and observe how the paint behaves, and you will soon get the "feel", and in no time, you will have made huge leaps in your surface quality! Better to do this with 1 bottle of £2 paint and some empty milk bottles, than have another soul-destroying disaster with your hard earned models. A delicate touch, and nice low angle for those final strokes will give you a surprising result. As long as each subsequent model gets better, you will be on the path to success and, more importantly, satisfaction!Comment
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I wouldn't bother with the artist acrylic mate , try humbrol or Revell , ive used there's for years and never had any problems , I like you was told Vallejo were very good but I faced the same problems you have so I just went back to what I know.Originally posted by \
You must thin them down and I use a syringe you get in kids medicine like calpol to measure how much water I put in usually I put 2.5 ml in humbrol and 5ml in Revell alwasy test it out on old pits of sprue to check for thickness and don't prime your kit wash it in a bit of warm water with washing up liquid in it and rinse it off really well and leave to dry on some kitchen towel
I do this all the time and unless people on here are lying to me I'm doing ok
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This is a fairly good starting point, and there are a fair few vids on this subject. However, nothing beats doing it on a bottle for sorting out a strategy!
People go through all sorts of maker's products, but I recommend once you hit success, stick with what you know, especially in the early days.Comment
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