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    More Matt varnish thoughts...

    Ok, now, we all have our preferences and issues with matt varnishes - especially when spraying it, but does anyone know of a truly matt matt varnish? Reason I ask is, having settled on Mig's Matt varnish for armour etc, I have found it wanting, when used on 1/35 figures. As far as I'm concerned, cloth - i.e. uniforms - need to be totally matt. There is no surface sheen whatsoever on Battledress at any scale, so having painted the figures for my PAK 36 diorama, I'm stumped. I even dug out my old bottle of airbrush clogger (A.K.A. Vallejo Matt Varnish), stirred and shook it for hours, and it still has a slight sheen! Grrrr. My only idea is now to repaint all the uniforms with Tamiya paint, as that is, at least, genuinely matt. But I'm open to other ideas...
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    I guess it depends on what paint you're trying to make look matt John. From my admittedly limited experience with acrylics, even the "matt" colours have a slight sheen to them.

    Humbrol enamels, on the other hand, are as matt as I could wish for.

    The reason that this interests me greatly (other than that I'm an obsessive idiot!) is that as far as I know, all paints begin as gloss & then additives are added to make them look matt.
    So, bearing in mind modern modelling techniques, why haven't more paint manufacturers released their entire range as gloss? That would save on the often tricky & time-consuming process of adding a gloss coat for washing.

    nb I know some paint firms do have an extensive gloss range, such as Xtracolor.

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    • Guest

      #3
      I always found Testors Dull Coat well mixed and just lightly dusted on works fine. Too wet and it will have a slight sheen. Yes, it is a lacquer based product but it works.

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      • col68
        • Nov 2016
        • 1505

        #4
        John
        Have you tried flattening the finish of the varnish with a fine finishing paper ?

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        • Guest

          #5
          Originally posted by col68
          John
          Have you tried flattening the finish of the varnish with a fine finishing paper ?
          I don't think that would work on 1/35 figures Colin - they're just too small with lots of engraved detail. You'd end up polishing the raised bits such as clothing folds, which would reverse the effect that John is after.

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          • rickoshea52
            SMF Supporters
            • Dec 2011
            • 4076
            • Rick

            #6
            I used Vallejo matt varnish on my Mig-21 and it looks okay to me. Have you tried any of the Railmatch varnishes? They do them in acrylic and enamel.
            On the bench: Airfix 1/48 Sea King HC4, Revell 1/24 Trabant.
            Coming soon: Airfix 1/72 Phantom FGR2.
            Just finished: Airfix 1/48 Stuka & Airfix 1/72 Sea King HC4.

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            • col68
              • Nov 2016
              • 1505

              #7
              Originally posted by dubster72
              I don't think that would work on 1/35 figures Colin - they're just too small with lots of engraved detail. You'd end up polishing the raised bits such as clothing folds, which would reverse the effect that John is after.
              Wish I'd read that 10 minutes earlier never mind didn't like the look of the figure anyway

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              • BarryW
                SMF Supporters
                • Jul 2011
                • 6012

                #8
                John, the flattest matt I have found is the AK Interactive Ultra Matt Varnish. I have used it a lot but it really is a bit too 'flat', if anything, for aircraft. Two coats of this will do the job. I spray it neat at about 25psi with a 0.4 needle. Thin it a little for a smaller needle.

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dubster72
                  I guess it depends on what paint you're trying to make look matt John. From my admittedly limited experience with acrylics, even the "matt" colours have a slight sheen to them.

                  Humbrol enamels, on the other hand, are as matt as I could wish for.

                  The reason that this interests me greatly (other than that I'm an obsessive idiot!) is that as far as I know, all paints begin as gloss & then additives are added to make them look matt.
                  So, bearing in mind modern modelling techniques, why haven't more paint manufacturers released their entire range as gloss? That would save on the often tricky & time-consuming process of adding a gloss coat for washing.

                  nb I know some paint firms do have an extensive gloss range, such as Xtracolor.
                  Tamiya XF paints are totally flat, as flat, if not flatter than Humbrol, but then they'll need varnishing!

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BarryW
                    John, the flattest matt I have found is the AK Interactive Ultra Matt Varnish. I have used it a lot but it really is a bit too 'flat', if anything, for aircraft. Two coats of this will do the job. I spray it neat at about 25psi with a 0.4 needle. Thin it a little for a smaller needle.
                    http://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/60ml...ive-ak183.html
                    Cheers for this Barry, I'll give it a go!

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                    • Guest

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Fenlander
                      I always found Testors Dull Coat well mixed and just lightly dusted on works fine. Too wet and it will have a slight sheen. Yes, it is a lacquer based product but it works.
                      Ah, the elusive Testors! Never been able to pin any down online, would be grateful for a link!!!

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                      • Guest

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dubster72
                        as far as I know, all paints begin as gloss & then additives are added to make them look matt.
                        Well, all pigments are matt, by the very nature of them being ground up minerals, its the binder and mediums that add gloss, this is why Pigment weathering looks so amazing, no pesky stuff to alter its natural state! And I apreciate that acrylic matt varnish is almost a contradition in terms...!

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                        • Guest

                          #13
                          Originally posted by John Rixon
                          Ah, the elusive Testors! Never been able to pin any down online, would be grateful for a link!!!
                          I got mine from this company, they do spray can or bottle, I bought the bottle as I prefer the airbrush control. Admittedly I got mine at a sow but it's in their listing. By the way, I have dealt with these before by post as well as at a few shows so I found them to be reliable.

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                          • Ian M
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                            • Dec 2008
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                            • Ian
                            • Falster, Denmark

                            #14
                            Humbrol Matt clear varnish used to be very flat when dry. The problem is that if you do not stir it 150% and then stir it some more, it is a great gloss coat as well!
                            Ask me how I know.
                            I use Vallejo matt with good success. But again it has to have the sheik shaken out of it.
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                            • Guest

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fenlander
                              I got mine from this company, they do spray can or bottle, I bought the bottle as I prefer the airbrush control. Admittedly I got mine at a sow but it's in their listing. By the way, I have dealt with these before by post as well as at a few shows so I found them to be reliable.

                              http://www.modeldisplayproducts.co.u...tegory&path=75
                              Thanks for that Graham. I'll buy this and the AK that Bwrry recommended, then report back with my findings!

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