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  • Tim Marlow
    SMF Supporters
    • Apr 2018
    • 18908
    • Tim
    • Somerset UK

    #46
    The pigments would probably be yellow ochre and lamp black. Then again, as the Americans used zinc chromate as a primer it might have been zinc chromate and lamp black. Then again, the switch to Zinc chromate might have been why there was a variation in the US air force colour was different....because the zinc content would help protect the airframe......then again, it could be any or all of these as once, hence the issue with guessing accurate colour......Even if you make an exact match between a paint mix and an original paint chip under one light source a difference in pigmentation between the two could make the colour show differently under a different light source.

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    • JR
      • May 2015
      • 18273

      #47
      Don't know about you Dave but I'm confused ! :surprised::smiling3:

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      • Gern
        SMF Supporters
        • May 2009
        • 9220

        #48
        Originally posted by John Race
        Don't know about you Dave but I'm confused ! :surprised::smiling3:
        I was confused before all this started! As a long-term member of the N.E.C, a lot of this is pretty meaningless to me but ....

        Without all the guys being picky about colours and counting rivets etc. we'd still be carving models out of lumps of wood and scratching around in the ground for coloured dirt to make paints. By demanding stuff to be accurate and forcing competition, look what manufacturers are creating for us and the choices we have today. I say 'Keep up the good work!'

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        • Guest

          #49
          Originally posted by Jakko
          ~ In that time period, there was no FS 34087 olive drab ~
          Interesting stuff Jakko.

          It's a subject I know nothing about, I'm just trusting the paint company to have done their homework. Clearly not! :smiling5:

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          • Guest

            #50
            Originally posted by John Race
            Don't know about you Dave but I'm confused ! :surprised::smiling3:
            Don’t worry, this is the normal state of being after trying to research paint colours for military vehicles :smiling3:

            Originally posted by Gern
            Without all the guys being picky about colours and counting rivets etc. we'd still be carving models out of lumps of wood and scratching around in the ground for coloured dirt to make paints. By demanding stuff to be accurate and forcing competition, look what manufacturers are creating for us and the choices we have today.
            That’s a very good point. You can (and [COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]we[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 192, 0)]people[/COLOR] do) argue about these colours until the cows come home and never get an answer everybody is happy with, but if that had not been going on in recent decades, the inaccurate renditions of, say, the 1960s and 70s (when AFV history first started being written about) would still be accepted as “right”.

            Now all model kit manufacturers need to do is update the painting instructions in their older kits to match

            Originally posted by Paintguy
            It's a subject I know nothing about, I'm just trusting the paint company to have done their homework. Clearly not! :smiling5:
            I suspect they’ve matched their mixing formula quite well to some or another version of the FS 595 chart. It may be interesting to see if they give different pigment mixes for gloss/semigloss and matt? If so, that would probably indicate they’ve done their homework — though if it doesn’t, that could also indicate they’ve done their homework … Hmm … this is getting difficult

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            • spanner570
              SMF Supporters
              • May 2009
              • 15420

              #51
              Originally posted by John Race
              Don't know about you Dave but I'm confused ! :surprised::smiling3:
              Jeez, 453.... never mind confused. I've now found the reason for my nose bleeds! :sleeping:

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              • Tim Marlow
                SMF Supporters
                • Apr 2018
                • 18908
                • Tim
                • Somerset UK

                #52
                Yes, but what colour is the blood.....

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                • Gern
                  SMF Supporters
                  • May 2009
                  • 9220

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                  Yes, but what colour is the blood.....
                  It had better not be Olive Drab or Dunkelgelb or we'll all want some and Ron would have to go into hiding!

                  Never mind Ron. Tilt your head forward a little and pinch the bridge of your nose. If that don't stop the bleeding call for matron. Meantime, try not to bleed all over your kits - it spoils the paint job! See how sensitive I am towards your health issues?

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                  • spanner570
                    SMF Supporters
                    • May 2009
                    • 15420

                    #54
                    Thanks Dave. I apreciate your concern for my well being....

                    Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                    Yes, but what colour is the blood.....
                    It's a sort of reddish red. According to my chart 453-570, 1924 and based on my alcohol consumption, it should be more of an amber (with bubbles)
                    However, recent research has revealed, and I quote from Matron's thesis dated 11/04/ 2019... "Due to 570's current liking for gin, his blood colour should be pure white.")
                    However, FS 570453 would seem to edge towards more of a white with a pinkish hue, due to the occasional addition of an infusion of raspberries.
                    But of course.....

                    Sorry chaps, I'm wandering off topic.

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                    • Tim Marlow
                      SMF Supporters
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 18908
                      • Tim
                      • Somerset UK

                      #55
                      Wot! No Carmine?

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                      • JR
                        • May 2015
                        • 18273

                        #56
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                        Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                        Wot! No Carmine?

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                        • Tim Marlow
                          SMF Supporters
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 18908
                          • Tim
                          • Somerset UK

                          #57
                          Rather complex for something extracted from crushed beetles isn’t it! Lovely shade of red though....

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                          • JR
                            • May 2015
                            • 18273

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                            Rather complex for something extracted from crushed beetles isn’t it! Lovely shade of red though....
                            Yes an interesting subject Tim, I liked the photos of it on Wilki. The thought that it is used in yogurt would put a lot of people of off.
                            Very similar to the Lac bug secretions used to make shellac.

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