AK Real colours, my opinion

[KarlW]

Great … the main reason I asked was because though I sold the couple of bottles of lacquer paints I have, because I found them to be impossible to use, I do still have a bottle of Mr. Surfacer which smells exactly the same and has the same issues cleaning it from brushes. I think I will continue to only use old brushes with it, then, where scraping the paint out doesn’t matter.

Yeah, Mr. Surfacer is lacquer based as are Tamiyas surface primers.
Switched to them over polyurethane primers a good while back.

[KarlW]

Well I'm intrigued by all this, even been to AK website to read about them.

Stupid question time,

Could you use other paints on them, say an oil brusher or even Vallejo , sort of mix and match. I don't want to have a spray a sealer every time if I want to add something like oils for weathering ?

Yours Confused of Lincs.:nerd:

And yes I've been using Vallejo over lacquer primers for a while now with no issues. And I use acrylic washes over lacquer paints.
I don't spray in the house having a shed, use an activated charcoal filter in my spray mask and my spray both vents through an activated charcoal filter to remove the VOCs.

[Tim Marlow]

Yeah, Mr. Surfacer is lacquer based as are Tamiyas surface primers.
Switched to them over polyurethane primers a good while back.

Been using lacquer primer since it was called cellulose primer and came in a spray tin from halfords…….Mr Surfacer is basically Tamiya primer in a bottle…..
I’ve never really got on with acrylic primers. I find no matter how long I leave them I can’t sand them to carry out remedial repair if required. Apparently you can with stynylrez (?) but whenever I try to buy it I find it out of stock everywhere. I do use Vallejo black primer on the little blokes, but that’s because I’ve got it on the shelf, I’m not so fussy about their surface finish, and it is handy as a basis for Zenitel priming.

[JR]

I’d say yes to that John. I use lacquer primer followed by Vallejo acrylics all the time, and this should be no different. Before I switched I used to use enamels over lacquer as well. In my experience you can use any paint over any other as long as the underlying paint is properly dry (not just touch dry) and you don’t flood the new paint on. I regularly use Tamiya gloss varnish diluted with Mister Color levelling thinner over acrylics, and have happily used enamels under and over almost everything, including household primer in my cheapskate days.

Thanks Tim I was hoping you or Karl would see this. Off now to get some thinners and yes 4BO along with anything else that might come in handy, was interested to see AK did a test using their paint with out a primer and it worked.

And yes I've been using Vallejo over lacquer primers for a while now with no issues. And I use acrylic washes over lacquer paints.
I don't spray in the house having a shed, use an activated charcoal filter in my spray mask and my spray both vents through an activated charcoal filter to remove the VOCs.

I have a full face mask with filters and vent though the wall , so should be safe there.

Thanks both .:thumb2::thumb2:

[BattleshipBob]

Lacquer thinners, then wash with brush soap to recondition.
Mr Tool Cleaner also works, but use a glass jar.

That's the way I use, open window first lol

[BattleshipBob]

Found a AK comparison chart, a few compare to Mr Color but as discussed not many naval paints. Will use some of there stuff such as flat black and white. Interesting info

[Guest]

Mr Surfacer is basically Tamiya primer in a bottle…..

Long ago, I heard it’s some spray filler or filling primer or whatever the English name for such stuff is, from 3M.

[Tim Marlow]

Long ago, I heard it’s some spray filler or filling primer or whatever the English name for such stuff is, from 3M.

As supplied in the bottle I would say that Mr Surfacer is basically a wet form of knife stopping. Designed to be trowelled on with a filling knife so filling small imperfections in a primer coat before the top coat is added. If you dilute the 1500 version it makes a great surface primer though.

Edit, don’t bother looking up knife stopping on the net. It was an essential part of surface prep in car repair back in the day. All you get now is articles on stopping knife crime…..how times have changed.

[stillp]

Edit, don’t bother looking up knife stopping on the net. It was an essential part of surface prep in car repair back in the day. All you get now is articles on stopping knife crime…..how times have changed.

Try searching "knifing filler" instead!
Pete

[Tim Marlow]

Try searching "knifing filler" instead!
Pete

That works………happy to work with the Mr Surfacer I have though.

[Guest]

As supplied in the bottle I would say that Mr Surfacer is basically a wet form of knife stopping. Designed to be trowelled on with a filling knife so filling small imperfections in a primer coat before the top coat is added.

That’s pretty much what I meant, yes. The Dutch word is spuitplamuur, literally “spray filler” because, as I understand it, the stuff in the Mr. Surfacer bottles was originally meant to be sprayed from a spraygun to fill surface imperfections.

[KarlW]

Had a chance to use these a bit more in anger and I actually would give these the edge over MRP, providing you can get the colours you want.