Me 109 4/7 collours

[Guest]

No hijacks dude, I am glad for all the info!

Steve, the instructions call for the cockpit floor,seat, collomb and instr pannel to be XF-63 German grey. The internal collour for the sides of the fuselarge is a mix of XF-22 RLM Grey (what ever that is) and XF49 Khaki.

Those RLM standards are realy confusing me.Why the different collours.

The inside of the wheelwells are the same mix of 22 and 49. Do you recon they are trying to replicate the primer you are refering to?I will check on the conversion chart what the nearest collour is.

There is a pranged 109 in desert collours here in our war meseum, could be an interesting thing to replicate.Must just find out what model it was. There is no mottle on it, just tan and blue with a white cowl IIRC.

Thanx for all the linx lads.I have started on the "office" and as usual it looks like this is the standard "fall into place" tamiya kit :-) I got it for only about 11 sqidd ,so I am rather pleased with it.

Theuns

[Guest]

Forgot to add, i am using "ME 109 aces of north Africa and the Med" as my referance.

T

[Guest]

XF-22 + XF-49 = RLM 02 which is Vallejo 71044. Will this help.

[Guest]

Indeed it does, thanx.

I had a look at the humbrol chart and theirs is # 86 wich is a olive (could this be right for the interior sides of the cockpit?????? If the rest of the cockpit is german grey? See what I mean about being confused.

The pix in one of the links does show a green primer inside the wheel wells, but why the green AND the grey in the office? Or am I just reading it wrong? Some of the pix also show an all grey office but with a black instr. pannel

Theuns

[stona]

Hi Theuns. Tony is correct with his identification of RLM 02.

For this period you can safely do all the cockpit interior except the instrument panel,which would be dark grey,in this colour. This includes the seat.

The wheel well,inside of cowlings and undercarriage legs,the undercarriage legs themselves,inside of slats,leading edge behind slats will also all be in RLM 02. It's all the same colour!

I wouldn't call RLM 02 olive. It is a grey/green colour,I'm sure you'll find a chip online to give an idea.

I have to say that the dark blue/grey colour RLM 66 did appear in cockpits much earlier than you will read in many modelling references but without good evidence you should go with RLM 02 on a balance of probabilities. Any Bf109 from and including the F series onwards should have the darker colour.

Any more confusion just let us know!

Cheers

Steve

[Guest]

What would be the closest colour match for the dark grey, Vallejo 71052 German Grey orVallejo Dark Grey Blue 71054?

[stona]

I don't know Tony but we shouldn't beat ourselves up about exact matches on our models. Establishing the nature of the original colours is interesting from a research point of view but frankly any dark blue/grey colour will do for RLM 66 on a model.

RLM 02 was rather inconsistent the first time around in the 1940s. The RLM actually told contractors not to worry too much about it as,despite being used as a camouflage colour,it was never officially approved as such. It was always considered an interior primer colour. So much for german efficiency! Again a greyish green or greenish grey (depending on your eyes) will do.

Cheers

Steve

[Guest]

RLM 66 will do for me. Looks like I have to do a little more respraying. Oh fun....

[Guest]

I just looked at the IPMS Stockholm site and the RM02 has no standard collour in either Humbrol or Tamiya!

I would have thought that such a widely used collour should have a "one tin" aplication, not to have to mix it yourself.

I will have a look at some online pix and try to mach it as best as I can.Thanx for the effort lads.

T

[Guest]

So would you guys go with this collour for all the interior but the instr pannel?

T

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[stona]

Theuns,I'd say that's a decent representation of the colour you are after. Given the vagaries of photography and computer monitors you might lighten it a little for your model.

Tony where are you putting RLM 66 on your model? If it's the E you showed us earlier you are safe with an RLM 02 interior as in Theun's piccies above.

There is a good article by Dave Wadman (respected researcher) on the camouflage and markings of the Bf109E which he put online. It's a good synopsis of a huge subject and at the end he covers the interior conundrum under "canopy framework".

Here's a link,it saves me typing it out lol.

The 109 Lair- The Online Source for Messerschmitt 109 information

Click "articles" then go to "camouflage" on the drop down menu. Finally click "Bf109E" on the next drop down.

Cheers

Steve

Steve

[Guest]

RLM 66 on the cockpit instrument panel and seat if that is correct,this is for the Trumpeter 109E I have started a while back.

[stona]

Tony the instrument panel would be a darker grey,probably RLM66. Leave the seat in RLM02.

The only other place where you might find RLM66 would be the canopy framing on an E-4 or later but the outside might well have ended up in the camouflage colours. Again,unless you want to refer to werk nummers and production blocks you won't know what dash number your aircraft was ORIGINALLY built as. They sent them back for upgrades! Don't worry too much about it,there isn't a right or wrong here.

Cheers

Steve

[Dave W]

Xtracolour do a good range of RLM colours in gloss enamels.I buy mine fromWonderland models on the Internet.I wouldn't recommend their clear varnish though.I bought some and it looks yellowish brown in the bottle.I use Revell or Humbrol clear varnishes as I only use enamels.

[stona]

Forgot to add, i am using "ME 109 aces of north Africa and the Med" as my referance. T

Just re-read this. Is that the Osprey Aircraft of the Aces book?

I've just dug it out and it has some good profiles. The one of Muncheberg's "White 12",which is one of the kit options,is correct. It has the white vertical gruppe bar behind the cross and not a white theatre band. I'm guessing Tamiya wrongly call for the band as I see a few models with it!

Cheers

Steve